25 Q - Okay. I really, really appreciate your HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012273 sor &Associates llyporting and Travaipfm, hich Page 19 1 coming in here today. We got this done much quicker than 2 if we had to go to the courthouse to do it. 3 A. Thank you. 4 Q. I didn't coerce you in any way to give any 5 particular answers, did I? 6 A. No. 7 Q. All I asked you to do was tell the absolute 8 truth? 9 A. I'm fine. That's good. 10 Q. And that's what you did, you told the 11 truth? 12 A. Told the truth. 13 MR. GOLDBERGER: thanks so much 14 for coming in today. I appreciaLe it very much. 15 THE WITNESS: No problem. 16 Nis. SANCHEZ: Thank you. 17 (Thereupon, the sworn statement was 18 concluded at 12:15 p.m.) 19 20 22 22 23 24 25 telcutoLtptetbat..c. 3 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012274 nor 82. Associates RoporengoadTramiriptipp,MEs. Page 20 1 THE STATE OF FLORIDA, ) 2 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. ) 3 4 5 6 7 of March, 2008 and was duly sworn. 8 9 10 of March, 2008. 14 I, the undersigned authority, certify that personally appeared before me on the 21st WITNESS my hand and official seal this 22nd day Judith F. Consor, FPR 15 Notary Public - State of Florida 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 k.Ria=12M60239.61o.6.0.16.4,31Ali....0.2E1**1.4114,31DiGsedankaa.6.4.051ltiL>bia HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012275 sor & Associates Refportimgclit Trommiplion,IED, Page 21 1 2 CERTIFICATE The State Of Florida, ) 3 County Of Palm Beach. ) 4 5 I, Judith F. 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Consor, Court Reporter Florida Professional Reporter HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012276 or & Associates Uppreagat4Troinawilliva, Int% Ph. 561.682.0905 - Fax. 561.682.1771 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 Parse 22 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012277 sor & Associates RopotiNI Trawriggica, /PP. Page 23 Ph. 561.682.0905 - Fax. 561.682.1771 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012278 sor &Associates RpparIbg Tronwzipliosi, Eti Page 24 It Ph. 561.682.0905 - Fax. 561.682.1771 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012279 sor 82. Associates .Roportits. aa4 Tpxygoriptim,Ii Page 25 Ph. 561.682.0905 - Fax. 561.682.1771 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012280 TAB 6 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012281 2007-04-25 .TXT 1 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA 2 STATE OF FLORIDA 3 STATE OF FLORIDA, 4 vs. 5 JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 6 Defendant. 7 8 9 TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED STATEMENT OF 4-24-07 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Transcribed by: vicki S. Woodham, Court Reporter 18 Notary Public, State of Florida Consor & Associates 19 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard, Suite 500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 20 Phone - 561.682.0905 21 22 23 24 25 Page 1 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012282 2007-04-25 TXT 2 1 (Taped statement as follows:) 2 AGENT RICHARDS: This is Special Agent Jason 3 Richards with the FBI along with Special Agent 4 Nesbit Kirkendul and Assistant United States 5 Attorney Marie Bilafonia here to conduct an 6 interview with Ms. Also present is 7 her attorney, Jim Eisenberg and Carrie Sheehan. 8 MR. EISENBERG: And we are here -- This is Jim 9 Eisenberg and my investigator, Ms. Sheehan is here. 10 And we're here pursuant to a subpoena that was 11 served on me for and that's why we're 12 here. So Ms. Bilafonia, it's your show. 13 MS. BILAFONIA: Okay, great. 14 AGENT RICHARDS: I also want to add that the 15 date is 4-24-07, and the time by my watch is 4:21 16 p.m. 17 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 18 Q. we just want to start off and I'll lead 19 off first. We just want to get some basic info about 20 you, simple stuff. I've got your date of birth as 21 is that correct? 22 A. Yes, sir. 23 Q. I just want to get like your basics like that 24 stuff first. Your current address? 25 A. Page 2 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012283 2007-04-25 TxT 3 1 2 Q. You have a cell phone or -- 3 A. 4 Q. And home phone? 5 A. Only cell. 6 Q. Only cell, okay. Now have you had other cell 7 phone numbers in the past and do you know any of those? 8 A. that's the only one I can remember. 9 Q. Okay. But you had some others? 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 Q. Okay. 12 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 13 Q. Who's your service provider? 14 A. Metro. 15 Q. metro. And for that other number as well? 16 A. Yes. 17 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 18 Q. Where did you go to high school? 19 A. 20 Q. And what year did you graduate? 21 A. 22 Q. What year was that that you dropped out, do you 23 remember? 24 A. No. 25 Q. What year were you supposed to graduate, your Page 3 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012284 2007-04-25 .TXT 4 1 class? 2 A. 3 Q. Okay. 4 A. I had got my GED. 5 Q. when did you get that? 6 A. About three months ago. 7 Q. And are you going to college anywhere 8 currently? 9 A. Not right now. 10 Q. Plans? 11 A. i have plans. 12 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 13 Q. Where are you thinking about going? 14 A. I'm not positive what I want to do. There's a 15 lot of things on my mind, but right now I'm focusing on 16 my son. I have a two year old so right now I'm just 17 working. 18 AGENT RICHARDS: He's a handful? 19 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 20 AGENT RICHARDS: I have one, too. 21 THE WITNESS: Yeah. So in the future, I'm 22 definitely going to go to college. I'm going 23 definitely going to go to school. But I have, you 24 know, a modeling career going on right now that's Page 4 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012285 2007-04-25 TXT 25 hopefully going to -- some of you will notice me, 5 1 hopefully, and that would be great, but i don't 2 know. 3 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 4 Q. Where else are you working? A. I work for Advanced cleaning systems. They 6 clean carpets. 7 AGENT RICHARDS: Advanced what was it? 8 THE WITNESS: System Cleaning. 9 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 10 Q. And where are they located? 11 A. Las Palmas, 11 Swanee, S-w-a-n-e-e, Swanee 12 Drive. 13 Q. Are you working in an office there or do you go 14 out to people's homes? 15 A. I work in an office there. 16 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 17 Q. Obviously, you know why we're here and what we 18 want to talk about. so let me just kind of lead into do 19 you know Jeffrey Epstein? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Yes, of course, you do. Now when did you meet 22 Jeff? Does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey or -- 23 A. Jeffrey. Page 5 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012286 2007-04-25 .TXT 24 Q. okay. When did you meet him and who introduced 25 you to Jeffrey? 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. JeffreY- Q. My girlfriend Do you know her last name? oduceci me to A. No. she was a friend of one of my friends, so really didn't know her. BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q • when was that? A. I really couldn't tell you. I don't even remember. It's been so long ago. BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. So introduced you to him. Was it at a party setting or how did you guys meet? A. No. She came to me and she said hey, would you like to make a couple dollars and I said sure. I said doing what? She said, Well, I know this Jeffrey. He lives on Palm Beach Island and I bring girls there and he likes massages and I was like okay. So I asked her, I said well, what about my age? And sh said well, juct ].:64 gAh4X, 4.10#4 fake ID .. -.0!aloin„ th8re. Q. Okay. And about what time period was it that Page 6 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012287 2007-04-25 TXT 22 you went over there first, do you remember? 23 A. What time period? 24 Q. Yes. As far as what year was that that you 25 were in school? 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 A. I was 16 Q. Sixteen. BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q. Were you a freshman or a sophomore, do you remember? A. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. Probably a sophomore. Q. Now you said that... Awl-0104440g Did she elaborate on massages? ld 001#05 what types of sometimes he likes topless masges, ave to do anything you don't wan 1§i Q. And do you know whether massages? A. Yeah, she said she's done it before. Q. And do you know whether had taken any other girls over to see Jeffrey? A. Yes, she probably did. Q. Did she tell how much you would make? Page 7 had given him HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012288 2007-04-25 IIIIII[TxT 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. what did she tell you? 23 A. We go there and we make $200 in 30 minutes. 24 Q. Now you said that you asked her, you know, what 25 do i need to be worried about my age. whsodficioagz 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 A. Because I don't want to be -- you know, it was like I was underage and I was young and I was pretty stupid and I didn't want to get -- I didn't in trouble, so.. I alwaysA4010& aroma e. atE want to get make 14:004*.i.7 ecause, 6AW BY AGENT AGENT RICHARDS: Q. Now did she -- at? In school? What setting? A. I wa at a frinif whe 04.0100 m girlfriend's house. I don't know what girlfriend's house it was. Everybody was just hanging out. And she said -- she came up to me and she asked me. She said, do you want to make a couple bucks and I said sure. Q- 40 Aft0t8 there to meet r 40.4# Page 8 e. took .you over,; u again HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012289 set up any appointments with him.. or anything--1-1.4r.: that?' o, I gave 3ffrey mynumbertime you want me to give you a massage again, than welcome to. 9 1 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 2 Q. So took you that first time, but then 3 after that you communicated directly with Jeffrey? 4 A. uh-huh. 5 Q. Tell us about that first time that you went to 6 his house. Who -- how did you get there? 7 A. one of 11111111s friends and they dropped us 8 off and then we went. You know, we got escorted up to 9 the massage room and he told me everything. He said, 10 Listen, I like massages. And we had the whole massage 11 table laid out, the lotions and everything. And she was 12 in there for the first like five minutes. And the first 13 time I gave him a massage, she left the room and I gave 14 him a massage. And she told me, she says he likes women 15 topless massages. so I willingly the first time took off 16 my top when I gave him a massage and nothing more than 17 that. og Hffiaiihie Page 9 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012290 2007-04-25 18 was out of there. 19 Q. Okay. Let me just ask you a couple of 20 follow-up questions. You said that someone escorted you 21 up to the room. Do you know who that was? 22 A. one of -- what's her name? Actually, 23 just said, you know, it's up there and she just told 24 me where it was. 25 Q. And then you said that you and went 10 1 upstairs together? 2 A. Uh-huh. 3 Q. And stayed in there for the first few 4 minutes? 5 6 7 8 9 10 the room or did he come in after you were already there? 11 A. iWW4 ri the room al ready 12 Q. And you said that you took your top off. Did 13 anybody ask you to take it off, like did say it's 14 time for you to take it off? 15 A. No, she wasn't in the room. Page 10 A. Uh-huh. Q. Was Jeffrey already in the room by the time •left? A. Yeah, he was in the room. Q. Okay. Was he there when you guys showed up in HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012291 2007-04-25 TXT 16 Q. 17 18 19 20 21 22 that 23 24 25 his massage? A. By the time you took it off, okay. salci, T told;Jeffrey: massages topless.:. And hes *,7r 0flrt h4Oomv 46046 ............... w. -01 Q. ing1Y O.: okay. And during that first massage, you said you gave him a shoulder and neck massage? A ick back shou1der Otik Q. was he face down the entire time that he got 11 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And what did you do during the massage? Did 3 you talk or -- 4 A. Yeah, we talked. 5 Q. And what would you talk about with him? 6 A. Well, we were just getting to know each other. 7 we talked about how my lifestyle was, what he did for a 8 living and just all positive things, really nice things. 9 Q. okay. what was he wearing when you first came 10 in the room? 11 A. I'm sorry. When he first -- when he first came 12 in the room, he was fully clothed. And then he said, you 13 know, wait a second. I'm going to go on the massage 14 table and he put a towel over him just like a normal Page 11 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012292 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massage or after the massage he gave you? 2007-04-25 TXT masseuse would do. Q. Did he undress and put a towel around him? A. uh-huh. Okay. VOOMifOiranyrttng it as Q. A. neck and shoulders. Q. And after the massage was over, you received the $200? A. He gives money right away. Q. I'm sorry. Was that before you started the 12 1 A. The first time, he gave me the money right 2 away. 3 Q. Okay. And he's the person that paid you the 4 $200? 5 A. No, it's always 6 Q. gave you the money? 7 A. Uh-huh. 8 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 9 Q. What's 's last name, do you know? 10 A. I don't know. 11 MR. EISENBERG: You can't look at papers. If 12 you think you know, you know. If you don't know, -- Page 12 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012293 2007-04-25111111ITXT 13 THE WITNESS: No, I don't know. I don't know 14 's last name. He does. 15 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 16 Q. Okay. The only thing I'm confused about is you 17 said that didn't even take you upstairs. She just 18 told you where you should go? 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 Q. So when did she pay you the money? 21 A. She paid me then and there when I first walked 22 in the door, me and 23 BY AGENT. RICHARDS: 24 Q. She paid you before you went upstairs? 25 A. Yes. 13 1 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 2 Q. And how much was paid? 3 A. Everybody got paid $200. 4 Q. And after -- So after the massage was finished, 5 you said that you had already been paid. Who asked you 6 for your name and telephone number? 7 A. Jeffrey said, well, I'd like to see you again. 8 Can I have your number? From what I remember, I'm pretty 9 sure he asked me for my number and I gave him my number. 10 Q. Okay. 11 BY AGENT RICHARDS: Page 13 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012294 2007-04-25 TXT 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Did he write it down upstairs? He had a pen handy, I hope? A. uh-huh. BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q. On that first massage, you said that you worked on him topless. But when you first started, did you take -- what were you wearing? A. 3R4PW I was wearing og massages. noñiial shirt assagearid And, of course, h• 6000P P' And he's like yeah, I do i prefer that. And who wouldn't, you know? so i said okay and I took it off. Q. And you took off your bra as well? 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And you left your jeans on? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. okay.SQ gave hr 5 6 A. 7 Q. 8 A. 9 jpgapgplaIng yer: the Massag Q. So you said that that day you gave your name Page 14 14 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012295 2007-04-25 IXT 10 and number to Jeffrey. When was your next contact from 11 him or anybody who worked for him? 12 A. The next day, he had called me and he said 13 would like to come out again and I'd like to see you 14 again. I said sure. I took a taxi there and I went 15 there again. 16 17 18 Q. Okay. MENCOMANVOMOOFis the pmrsor 19 who called you for that appointrnent,, 20 A. No, 1000W 21 called me From what I remember,M4.044fItig41110 22 4WW 23 Q. okay. And she said Jeffrey says he wants to Q. The following day? A. The next day. 24 see you again? 25 A. Yes. 00414.0 15 1 Q. And then you said you took a taxi? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Is that how you would normally get to and from 4 his house? 5 A. uh-huh, if I didn't have friends because I 6 don't drive, yeah. 7 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 8 Q. How did you get home the first time when Page 15 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012296 A. No, no. t:iiii4614k4aliiiii paid for my own taxi. Q. 2007-04-25 =.1-x-r 9 took you over? Did she get a taxi? 10 A. No, our friend came back and picked us up. 11 Q. which friend was that? 12 A. His name was Brian. I don't know his last 13 name. I really didn't know and I didn't know her 14 friends or whatever, but I met Jeffrey. And once I met 15 Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy and I just -- I don't 16 know. I ended up giving him my number so I could -- 17 didn't want or Brian to drive me anymore. 18 would rather go to him on my own. 19 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 20 Q. When you would take the taxis to and from, 21 would he pay for them? 22 A. uh-huh. 23 Q. And he would pay when you arrived? 24 A. uh-huh. 25 Q. And then he would just give you extra money 16 1 when you left to pay for the taxi? 2 3 4 5 the massage? 6 A. TWO hundred, yeah. Page 16 :ram.cmg: okay. so from the money that he paid you for HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012297 2007-04-25 .TXT 7 Q. Where were you living at the time? 8 A. I was living at It's 9 located on So I would take, you know, 10 straight down to where I lived. 11 Q. Do you remember about how much that taxi fare 12 was each way? 13 A. Twenty dollars. 14 Q. And did you always use the same taxi service 15 or -- 16 A. No, I used different taxis all the time, so -- 17 Q. And you would just call and have them come to 18 your house? 19 A. Uh-huh. I used a whole bunch of different 20 taxis, whatever is available. 21 Q. So you mentioned that the second massage, was 22 it any different than the first one? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. How was it different? 25 A. When I went there, I went there by myself. And 17 1 I went up to the massage room and Jeffrey was just like 2 regular like he was before on his stomach and he had a 3 towel over and we started the massage and 4 off willinoly And after the massage, 11.9409. 5 you c.omfo.rtabl' Page 17 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012298 6 this an I Said 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 2007-04-25 he turned anuun d. And this was like at the end of the massage, our 30-minutes massage, usually it was even shorter than that. And he masturbated at the end of the massage and it was like two seconds and I was just topless. Q. And when he turned over, the.n did he touchfie.0 at al or was he just -- A- W i didE#020405Ehim. He dd not touch AC He didn't even want 15 Q. 16 *OEMO 17 A. 18 Q. 19 A. 20 *0401: 21 22 23 24 25 Q. nipples during the massage? A. Actually, later on -- because I saw him for a long time. Later on, I asked him, you know, and I asked him -- I would give him -- you know, I would rub his You didn't like continue the massage while he yokaileW4OSIMOOT okay. I cut you off. You said he didn't even? He didntt want me to touch hi idn*t Did he ever ask you to rub his chest or rub his 1 chest or whatever and massa 2 masturba 3 Q. Ida so eventually you would continue the massage Page 18 18 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012299 2007-04-25111111TxT 4 and he would masturbate at the same time? 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yeah, but it wasn't on his lower area. Q. No, you never touched his penis? A. Rig Q. You were paid $200 again? A. Always. Q. Always? Every time you went there? A. Always. BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. was it always that paid you? A. Sometimes Jeffrey would and sometimes would. BY MS. BILAFONIA: okay. So that was during the second massage. Q. Was it usually before or after the massage? A. After the first time, it was always after. would go downstairs and I'd get paid. Q. So just sort of tell us, when a massage ended, which assume was after A. It WaSn' Q. Okay. A. It wasn't like he ejaculated? hough, every time we went there he 2 sometimes he.just wanted..back masage. 19 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012300 2007-04-25 TXT 3 Q. 4 okay. But when the massage was over however it ended, you would just get dressed and go downstairs by 5 yourself or did take you downstairs? 6 A. 7 great. 8 with us 9 WWWAII 10 11 12 A. 13 you. 14 15 or more than once a week? 16 A. Yeah. 17 Q. 18 A. 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 More than once a week? Personally woo Q. Okay. gave Jeffrey? Yeah. The chef would make us food and it'd be And Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come down sometimes or, you know, it wasn't -- we had fun. OW How many massages do you think that you reY a 1 massages. saw him 0:00041W4E, can't tell Q. And how many times -- would you see him weekly d bring girl S. Q. okay. But either you would or either a girl that you brought? A. Yeah, uh-huh. Q. Okay. A. But after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had brought girls, but I got paid $200 to bring girls. Q. Okay. So let's talk just about when you were Page 20 20 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012301 1 2 3 his feet massaged. 4 massage sessions? 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. 14 Off .. . . e: ikithf.64Z t0440.0$61' t440 iked back massages. Sometimes he ssages. h cf s ea massage a 2007-04-25 Il.TXT performing the massages. what other sorts of things would happen? You said that sometimes he would just like Sometimes he likc.•his head massage& massages And it wasn't ever there he iisturbated.' Q. Okay. Ally idea th e th sturbate sgat6ti astur a cf ways perfo less . , . . . Id you eve I. get comPl etel A. Q. A. ot ing? Willinqiy. one time ing jOkes an rYtni and: wi:flin otally nude, hut r was fine Okay. Totally fine with it. And how did that massage go? Actually, 'it was a foot massa Page 21 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012302 2007-04-25 TXT 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 -00f64-!,, 4go.r.1114, *041i400A0N1140AW0400 Q. And how much were you paid for that? A. Two hundred every single time. DOV4144640$0040100Vtouch4004-Wot 4t0g00#10004060g Q. A. Never, never. Okay. Q. BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. why not? A. Why not? Why would he? Q. You seem like a nice young lady, attractive. He never had any urges to -- A. I asked him, I said, when are you going to get married? when are you going to get married, Jeffrey? He said, I'm never getting married. He has, you know, beautiful women all the time. why would he -- no, huh-uh. BY MS. BILAFONIA: 1-M-110).Mr1P41I04400 y4yRi: Q. v4iWO .w400046.4i4E Okay. Now you said that at some point you ven started bringing other girls over? Page 22 WAT erx nP ever. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012303 We just, A- toPless massages. 2007-04-25 TxT 22 1 A. uh-huh. 2 Q. How did that start? 3 A. He likes to see different faces. 4 Q. So he asked you if you had friends that 5 could bring over or other girls? 6 A. 7 8 0000Ott uh-huh. you 9 A. All of90.-000i100100 if. 10 fia b0.650300W100 11 ii6t4WWWWW6405fft6e6244466W444 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. And did any of them tell you what happened 24 after that? 25 A. Always, always, I even asked them. 0040, know 1 iris OWIROC es massages, u ,re not corn 0 r- 013or Oft make sure °use? Page 23 giV; HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012304 2007-04-25 TXT 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Q. Okay. And with the other girls, was it the same as what you did or different? A. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I was more willingly to do more, you know. Like I said, one t'me But the o .Lop.l es d that's al 14,11t •nu they Practical osOk6kW11041t4A0g Some girls n't want to 3effrey didn't 8 OallT,X 9 Q. Were there girls that you brought back multiple 10 times? 11 A. A couple, a couple, but he really liked to see 12 different faces. 13 Q. okay. I'm just wondering are there some girls 14 he really liked and others he didn't like or did he have 15 any preferences in terms of blondes, brunettes? 16 A. He liked girls like me. 17 Q. Okay. Thin and attractive? 18 A. I guess. Yeah, very attractive women. And he 19 thdnt say girls He said women all th ttme 20 Q. Did you ever bring anybody he didn't care for? 21 A. Huh-uh. 22 Q. Yeah? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. How was she different than the others? 25 A. Black. I screwed up. Page 24 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012305 2007-04-25 TXT 24 1 Q. How did you know you screwed up? 2 A. He doesn't like black women, obviously. 3 Q. So he let you know? He told you that? 4 A. Yeah, but he was still nice and he still gave 5 her her 200 even though he didn't even have a massage by 6 her. 7 Q. How did he -- he paid you $200 for bringing 8 each girl? 9 A. uh-huh. 10 Q. And when he told you that, 1 mean, that's what 11 he told you that he would pay you $200 for bringing the 12 girls? 13 A. Yeah. He said if you bring me -- if you bring 14 me girls, ill definitely, you know, give you money, 15 compensate you for your time and willing to do that for 16 me, yeah. 17 Q. And you said at that point you stopped 18 performing massages for him? 19 A. At that point, 1 didn't -- it would be 20 sporadically like. Usually, 1 had so many girlfriends at 21 the time that, you know, there were some new faces to be 22 saw. And if no one was available, then would go. 23 Q. 1 got you. 24 A. So -- 25 Q. Do you know some of the girls that you brought, Page 25 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012306 2007-04-25 =.-Da- 25 1 some of the their names? 2 3 4 A. don't remember, really. They were like not even friends. They were just associates, you }mow. if 'lends of friends, Sc 5 Q. we have -- I don't know. We have some messages 6 I guess that some girls' names that would call Jeffrey 7 and leave a massage. There's some girls names that are 8 referenced. we were just wondering if you knew them? 9 A. If you name them, I can probably remember. 10 MS. BILAFONIA: Jason, do you have that? 11 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 12 Q. is one. 13 A. I don't know Do you know her last 14 name? 15 MS. BILAFONIA: We were hoping you did. 16 THE WITNESS: No, I don't. 17 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 18 Q. 19 A. No, that sounds like a black girl's 20 name. 21 Q. Well, you brought a black girl. what was her 22 name? 23 A. I don't know. Don't ask me. 24 Q. Page 26 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012307 2007-04-25 TXT 25 A. yeah, i brought 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Rbbie 11 MW0A4A_A 12 13 14 15 Q. 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. Who is she? Tell us about A. sabrina, we look just alike, if that's the girl I'm thinking about. we went to school together and I brought her one time and then she ended up moving so she couldn't come with me. Q. were you guys in the same grade or -- A. No, she was older than me. A year or two? A.Actually, • don't e was like, you know two ranks. Q. Q. So when you were a sophomore, she was a senior? A. i just met her in school and I told her. BY MS. BILAFONIA: what was her last name? A. I don't know. BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. Do you know where she lived? A. I just met her in school and I told her about it. Q. YOU told her about it at school? Is that where your discussion was or -- A. Well, I said give me your number. I said you can make a couple of dollars. It's real easy. And if Page 27 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012308 2007-04-25 .TXT 24 you're comfortable with it, give me a call. 25 Q. Was that at'Lklikier6ei4Faa 27 1 A.No, t school 2 Q. At school. You're not sure what her last name 3 was? 4 A. I have no idea. 5 Q. Do you know where she lived or anything like 6 that, what car she drove? 7 A. No. 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Q. what'd she look like? A. What she looked like? Q. Yeah. A. Like me, everything, • . (Start Side B of tape.) AGENT RICHARDS: hair, eyes. Time recorder is being restarted is approximately 4:50 p.m BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q. We were talking about You were at at the time? A. No, I was at Q. okay. A. And that's where went to school. Q. what about a girl namedM? Page 28 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012309 22 23 24 25 A. BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. A. 2007-04-25 who? Did you bring a .4000,1* TXT 28 1 Q. I want to know about every one you brought. 2 A. well, one of them died recently, so -- 3 Q. What was her name? In a car accident or 4 something? 5 A. No, she died. unfortunately, she got shot in 6 the head. You guys probably heard it on the news. She 7 got shot in the head by this guy. I don't want to even 8 talk about it because I'll cry. 9 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 10 Q. Let's talk about the other 11 A. I don't even know. T don't know. I don't 12 know. There were some girls that just I would take one 13 time and then I would never talk to again, so i don't 14 know. 15 Q. How many girls do you think you brought to 16 Jeffrey's house? 17 A. That's a good question. I bring a lot, like 18 maybe -- I don't know, maybe 30, maybe 30. It was all 19 about the money to me at that time. 20 Q. Now any of the girls that you brought, did any Page 29 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012310 2007-04-251111111TxT 21 22 23 go through you? 24 25 A. They w Q. So you don't know? of them leave their names and numbers and then they would get appointments directly from Jeffrey or did they always 60004IT 29 1 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 2 Q. You weren't getting paid, right? 3 A. I told them, I said, Don't give him your 4 number. 5 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 6 Q. If you brought the same girl more than once, 7 would you get paid each time you brought them or just get 8 the initial $200? 9 A. Every single time I brought a girl, okay, or I 10 referred a girl, I always got $200, always. 11 Q. Even if she came a second time? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. You would get $200 every time she came? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Good deal. Okay. What about? 16 A. who? 17 Q. Any that you brought to Mr. Epstein's 18 house. Page 30 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012311 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 2007-04-25 TXT 19 A. 1 brought a 20 Q. Where did she go to school? 21 A. she didn't go to school. 22 Q. okay. How did you know 23 A. been my -- she's my friend in the 24 past. How did I meet at a party or she was my 25 -- Actually, she was my baby's father's girlfriend at the 30 1 time and 40i1M: 2 Q. You asked her if she'd be willing to go to 3 Jeffrey's house? 4 A. uh-huh. 5 Q. And when -- do you remember when that would 6 have been? 7 A. Actually, a couple weeks, a couple weeks. I do 8 remember her. A couple weeks after I met him. Q. so you brought her pretty soon after you met Jeffrey? that A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. the uh -huh. Seventeen.And how old was -.—. And what happened when you brought The same thing. Okay. Well, I know that sometimes you said girls would tell you what happened? Page 31 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012312 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2007-04-25 TXT A. She went in there. She had a massage -- she gave a massage on his back. she went a couple times. He liked her. She went a couple times. -0114g:A tI4MW.4: „:04.agg And then she went, I think, like two times after that. And yeah, he masturbated, but no touching. She didn't -- there's no touching of him. No 1 touching of her. 2 *1509MCMAG 3 tiofl 4 rspec- 5 *RONALwe wc 6 about it 7 8 9 10 11 call a taxi. 12 13 14 15 Q. 31 Problem and h Y'd 119 me) YoU know,•for us to go to Q. HOW would -- how would you make appointments for girls to go over there? A. I'd call them and they'd say hi, do you want to go to Jeffrey's house? And they'd say yes or no and we'd Q. How would you know when Jeffrey was going to be in town? A. when /KM 11 Did she always call when they were already in Page 32 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012313 A. well, I'd tell them, I'd say -- well, I mean, He'd have 2007-04-25 TXT 16 town or would she -- how far in advance would she call 17 you? 18 A. 19 Beach They never called me from anywhere They've 20 never called me from anywhere else. It was always when 21 was in Palm Beach. They'd say hi, we're down here. If 22 you want to come and see Jeffrey, you're more than 23 welcome to. 24 Q. So you wouldn't have like a specific time when 25 you would go over, like be here at 11 or be here at two? 1 2 I'd have to work around his schedule. 3 around mine. Yeah, we'd e there 4 11 5 6 7 8 9 10 chef would answer the phone. HiS maid would answer the 11 phone. That's -- 12 Q. But was the only one you talked to about 13 making appointments? 14 A. uh-huh, yeah. well, yeah, if Jeffrey wasn't Page 33 -i-hey only liT4*::0C01i0h:gtti4 .. . , were in Palm be there atever, to 32 work Q. no you -- I know that you said you talked to on the phone. was there anybody else that you would talk to on the phone? A. If Jeffrey wasn't there like if I'd call him to see how he was doing or whatever, you know, he had -- his HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012314 2007-04-25IIIIIIITXT 15 available, they'd, you know, he said, the chef or you 16 know, whoever, said Jeffrey will get back to you. Yeah, 17 =L made the appointments. 18 Q. So when you were calling to talk to Jeffrey, 19 you were calling the house phone over in Palm Beach? 20 A. Uh-huh, yeah. 21 Q. And how often would you talk to Jeffrey on the 22 phone as opposed to talking to one of his assistants? 23 A. Me and Jeffrey hardly ever talked on the phone. 24 He was always busy. It was mostly We'd talk when 25 I would get there, you know. So it was like hey, do you 33 1 want to come in? Yes, cool, you know. Come there, no, 2 cool, bye. 3 Q. Do you know someone who works for Jeffrey named 4 ? 5 A. I think I met her one time. 6 Q. And what do you know about her? 7 A. She was there. And the person , 1 think, 8 I'm not positive, okay. I'm pretty sure she said that 9 she's from New York and she travels with Jeffrey, but I 10 think I met her one time, if that's the girl that rings 11 the bell, you know, in my head. Nadia I think is that 12 one person I met one time. Page 34 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012315 13 14 15 have a girlfriend or a steady? 16 17 18 girlfriend. 19 Q. 20 21 other than Jeffrey? 22 A. NO. 23 Q. 24 25 2007-04-25=11TXT Q. Now you said that you a teased Jeffrey about whether he was getting married. Did you ever know him to A. No, he told me he's never been married. He's never had a girlfriend and he doesn't want to have a ave A-AWAVOiOaii& Im#000t A. 19.0.k.xiA0611=:.,Siii0A0A0E11#0.0.1.0#00 once or twice, not thatIO#00 Were you ever asked to bring a girl for someone else like to give a massage to somebody else or to anyone -mtwire 34 1 Q. But anybody else, either any friends that were 2 in town or -- 3 A. No. See, my mother is a masseuse and I have 4 experience massaging and he always liked my massages. So 5 he told about my massages and she said, yeah, I want 6 a massage so I'd go over there. I think it was one or 7 two times and I gave her a massage. 8 Q. NOW when the girls were upstairs with Jeffrey 9 in the bedroom, what would you do? 10 A. The chef would make me carved tomatoes, put 11 some crab meat in it and I'd just eat, wine and dine. It Page 35 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012316 2007-04-25 .TXT 12 was wonderful, great. 13 Q. And when you would talk to the chef -- 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. -- would anybody else from the house be there? 16 A. Yes. I don't know their names. I can't 17 remember. There were like all these foreign girls from 18 -- like they're beautiful, beautiful models that are from 19 different -- they have accents. And no, but it was real 20 interesting because we'd talk. And, you know, I'd learn 21 a lot from them and they'd learn a lot from me just being 22 American. And no, every time I went there it was a good 23 time. 414 .t, 404IWiut atC! 0 arid swum or 24 'gwohjAt., 25 Q. And how long you would the other girl be ar the Po 35 1 upstairs normally? 2 A. Twenty, 25, 20 to 30 minutes. 3 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 4 Q. Back to is there anything else 5 about her that you can remember? You were friends with 6 her. She went three times, you think? Did she go back 7 without going through you to set up any appointments that 8 you know about? 9 A. I don't know. Page 36 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012317 2007-04-25 10 Q. Okay. Were there any othe1111111111that you 11 brought? 1 know you brought other or multiple 12 Britanys. 13 A. Yeah. I don't know. If you would say like a 14 last name, then I would probably remember, but I don't. 15 Q. Any 111111 Did you bring a=? 16 A. , yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, 17 yeah. 18 Q. IIIIIIIIIIIW 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 Q. What can you tell me about her? How old was 21 she? 22 A. She's older than me. 23 Q. Do you know her from school or -- 24 A. No. where did 1 meet her? 1 met her in my 25 neighborhood and I asked her if she wanted to go and 36 1 yeah,M. She was only there one time, though. 2 Q. Did she tell you how it went with him upstairs? 3 A. Yeah. 4 Q. What'd she say? 5 A. She said -- she's like ah, 1 don't know. 6 Q. She freaked out or something? 7 A. NO, no, but he didn't want her again. He likes 8 tall, slender and she was like short. Page 37 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012318 2007-04-25 .TXT 9 Q. what did she say about him? 10 A. she had fun. 11 Q. She had fun? 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 Q. What did she say happened up there? 14 A. 15 16 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 17 Q. Did you ever, either when you gave him a 18 massage or any of the girls, did you ever use a big back 19 massager or it was only manual massage? 20 A. No, it was only my hands. we never used 21 anything else. 22 Q. Now when you were working for him, when you 23 were going over to Jeffrey's house to give massages, did she as topless a just gave masse. climax or anything 24 you have a boyfriend? 25 A. Yeah, yeah. 1 Q. Okay. How did he feel about you going to 2 Jeffrey's house? 3 A. He was a jealous little boy, but he didn't 4 care. Bring home the bacon. 5 Q. what's your boyfriends? 6 A. Page 38 37 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012319 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 what you were doing at Jeffrey's house? 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2007-04-25 .TXT Q. Now I know you that you mentioned that you had a baby. Is that the baby's father? A. No, no, thank God. Q. who is the baby's father? A. Q. Okay, And were you still going to Jeffrey's when you were pregnant? A. I would bring girls there when I was pregnant. Q. So did -- kit.0 A. ....... 4* 04000kabout Jeffrey actually threw me my baby shower and he got me furniture and a nice rattle for my son and just really nice things, I love mommy frames. Q. Was the shower at his house and did he attend? A. No, no, at my house, at my house. And no, Jeffrey wasn't there. He just sent to bring me gifts for the baby. Q. oh, okay. 1 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 2 Q. Did ever go over there with you? 3 A. No. 4 Q. He stayed away. 5 A. No, he didn't go, no. Page 39 38 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012320 2007-04-25 TXT 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q. Did Jeffrey ask you about boyfriends? I mean, was he curious about -- A. Yeah, we always talked about everything, yeah. DO you have a boyfriend, yeah, no, you know. We talked like friends. I don't know. Just about our life stories. You know, he probably knows my whole life story. BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. NOW do you still have contact with him or -- A. who? Q. Jeffrey. A. No, no one's allowing me. BY MS. BILAFONIA: Did he: YgO WOOIO to be400-dilr were aspiring to be? 16 at e and 2 can 3 Yor - 11 ry 40WII-141AieWOOW wanted to you aria bring you .!96ititlit.iiC)).#004Wit..0i;!!!lbadg#1.0.01- there, but c!!. Page 40 39 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012321 scre 2007-04-25 TXT always turned it down because I was 16 and 1........cii 5 that to get OLIt- 6 Q. What did you say to him? How did you put him 7 off? 8 A. I don't know. oh, well, I don't know. No, he 9 wasn't like begging me or anything. He asked me a couple 10 times and i said -- i just -- there was like no say about 11 it. I just -- I didn't go. And it wasn't like he asked 12 me all the time. He just it's a couple times he asked. 13 He said I'll bring you to New York or whatever we do and 14 we can, you know, try to fulfill your dreams, b 15 WNW Ardat IS50010460 44ANCA 16 17 18 any way? i mean, did he tell you if you want to be a 19 model, you know, this is going to mess with your chances 20 as a model or offer any -- 21 A. No. 22 Q. I'm wondering like how much was he giving you 23 advice? How much stuff were you really -- what did you 24 talk about? 25 A. After the baby, we didn't really even talk. th APR.* Q. Did -- when you got pregnant, did he react in 40 1 was -- I was totally -- I changed. YoU know, I was a bad 2 little girl and I totally changed. My whole life Page 41 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012322 2007-04-25 -IXT 3 changed. A couple times after I had the baby, I brought 4 a couple girls there. It was like two times. And then 5 me and Jeffrey really stopped talking. we just stopped 6 talking. I had my own life and he had his, so I don't 7 know. 8 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 9 Q. Did he ever make any arrangements knowing that 10 you wanted to be a model or were modeling? He has a lot 11 of connections with photographers and stuff. I mean, did 12 he ever set up any photo shoots or anything like that? 13 A. No. No, because he asked me if I would like to 14 go to pursue what I wanted to do, but like I said, for 15 the second time -- 16 Q. I mean in town here, not to travel to 17 for a shoot or anything? 18 A. 19 20 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 21 Q. Did you ever get money from Jeffrey when you 22 didn't either give a massage or bring a girl over? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. When did that happen? 25 A. I had to pay rent and I was late on my rent. N; ,etause that because nt VW:A.4W like stooc Page 42 :now that New York ac 41 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012323 1 2 3 4 Q. 6 A. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 he gave you? 21 22 23 to choose one, so I chose one. 24 25 anything like that? 2007-04-25 M.TXT This was before the baby. And i asked him -- I asked him for like 300. 00v000#0t $500. I don't -- tell you how I got it. Q. A. anything) I thin couldn't R4:100t.:MW Was he there when you went to get the money? NO. Do you know was he in town or did you call him? don't even - '-remeM, remem e the house us Q. Was that the only time that he gave you money that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing a girl? A. He bought gifts for the baby shower. I can't remember now. Not off the top of my head, no. I never asked him for anything because I just felt -- I'm not like that, you know. I'm not a user and I'm not -- I don't like that. I've never asked him for money, so -- Q. What about presents, either birthday presents? You mentioned gifts for the baby. Any other gifts that A. Yeah, he gave me a -- he had went to Brazil and he came back with a whole bunch of bikinis and he told me Q. Any other gifts, Christmastime or birthdays or Page 43 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012324 / ! 2007-04-25 TxT 42 1 A. No. 2 Q. Did he give any of your friends that you 3 brought gifts? 4 A. Yeah, the girl who died, He gave her 5 a bathing suit, too, from Brazil. 6 Q. We have some telephone numbers that we wanted 7 to ask you about. 8 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 9 Q. Just to see if you recognize these or if you 10 ever used any of these numbers that might have been old 11 telephone numbers for you at some point. I don't know 12 how many cell phones you may have had through the years. 13 See if you recognize any of those. 14 A. was my number. 15 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 16 Q. what was 's number? 17 A. 's? 18 Q. Yeah. 19 A. What, my baby's father? 20 Q. Yeah. 21 A. oh, I never knew his. Always I just, you know, 22 called him and I never knew his number. 23 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 24 Q. It was programmed in your phone? 25 A. Yeah. So I don't know. 1 just know Page 44 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012325 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2007 -04 -25MXT 43 1 because that was my old number like a long time ago. 2 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 3 Q. At the time that you were bringing girls over 4 to the house, were you also working a regular job? 5 A. I worked at City Pizza for a little while, but 6 no, kind of retired and splurged. I didn't have any 7 bills to pay. I saved. I put money in the bank, so Q. we had talked about _________________before. DO you know someone named A. Q. And who is that? A. i brought her a couple times. who is that? Q. I mean, did you go to school with her or how did you know her? A. oh, i had asked one of my friends. I said do you have any -- It was a guy friend. I said do you have any girls that are willing to give massages and I met up with her. I called her. I talked to her on the phone. met up with her and she said yeah, cool. Q- 4h4g460440igto01040104001t Iittifit#0 A •yeah, she wetit over there more She went over there an a coup U broug Page 45 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012326 2007-04-25 TxT 44 1 2 Q. 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 A NO- 16 Q No, one 17 A. No, no, 0 18 frorg 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. That I know of. That I know of, yeah. Okay. Did you ever tell any of the girls that they would be goingNigiii610CIA6.4 A. $6 I told them we were going to go Jeffrey's house and it's going to be a topless massage pretty much. Anything you don't want to do, you don't have to do and it's $200, badda-bing, badda-boom. You make $200 in 30 minutes. Q. e girls complain -4046 4.0000iCatWOO_ left 000: W Yu asked me that questio No 006hOW loved Z:; Q. No one called you and said, I think that you should call -- I think that we WOO OW00001t0$6 COO4t God. And who is that comiri Q. We just have phone calls that seem to contradict what you're telling us? A. oh, so you think that people came to me and said that I'm to call the police on Jeffrey? BY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. Was there anyone that thought that what Mr. Epstein was doing was inappropriate and was concerned Page 46 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012327 2007-04-25 TXT 45 1 2 3 4 6 7 food. 8 9 Q. 10 11 12 13 A 14 linderag 15 hopefully 16 does about that? A. Every girl ...a lii,;14,iiii •::, .ffrev, the:saidt 161 iiiiiilliiiiilli it. Arid ...................................... 'Wil!:......:'nr ni girkL.,60090gOillit40#1fh#C comeback for the money. And as far as I know, we all had fun there. ..0 Lye us free 400445413Rt40; mean, was there anyone that thought what he was doing may have been a little bit wrong? Not wanting to report to the police, but just saying, you know, that's kind of weird? 17 calling the cops. 18 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 19 20 21 22 was somebody shocked -- 23 24 25 because.: were But other than that, not Q. Was anybody upset that he was masturbating? know that you said you told them that they would possibly do the massage topless. They might have expected that. A. Yeah, of course. I mean, he always told them, okay, and i told them, too. r1..sai1d going to qo anythini at Page 47 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012328 2007-04-25 TXT 46 1 cOm ortable 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 A couple girls when they did come out of there, they're like oh, my God, I wasn't expecting all of that, but he always asked them and I asked them. They A say that you know he asked me are you OfiifiiftV e with this and thy1d say.yg.'§ Maybe they were scared, who knows. But yeah, they came out of there like oh, my God, that was kind of weird, you know, yeah. Q. Were any of them upset about it? A. Do they like regret it or something? Q. Just shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked? A. A couple of girls -- well, see, we were so young and Jeffrey didn't know that. Like the whole thing was shooken up when I brought them there. And see, uple times that I had whatever, if they were like shooken up, I'm like it's okay, you know. And they were like oh, I wasn't eY were li ONCW' ook up about But and afterwards like if he climaxed or Page 48 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012329 2007-04-25 .TXT 25 expecting that, but they told Jeffrey that, you know, 47 1 they were comfortable with it. If anything, you know, 2 maybe they were scared and they felt like obligated, like 3 they didn't want to say. I was thinking that they didn't 4 want to say like no, you know, I don't want to do that, 5 so who knows. I wasn't up there with them, so I couldn't 6 tell you. 7 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 8 Q. Who were the ladies who mentioned that to you 9 who were kind of shocked? 10 A. usually, the girls that I would bring like one 11 time and I wouldn't even see them again. 12 Q. Can you help me out with some names, though? 13 A. Huh-uh, no. I can't remember her name. She's 14 on the top of my -- oh, my God, I don't remember. 15 can't remember. 16 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 17 Q. 18 authorities? Nobody was that upset that called you or 19 spoke to you that was upset with what had happened to the 20 point that they wanted to report it? 21 A. W no if anything,thank None of girls wantec 22 because 23 BY AGENT RICHARDS: Page 49 _Pgm .0 the HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012330 2007-04-25 TXT 24 Q. Do you know the names of some of the girls that 25 you brought? 48 1 A. Huh? 2 Q. Do you know the name of some of the girls you 3 brought other than the ones that we've talked about right 4 now? 5 •A. Like I said, I can't remember because usually 6 there -- 7 Q. There's about 30 of them, so you've got to 8 know -- 9 A. No, I don't know because there were girls that 10 I didn't even know so, you know, I just asked them. 11 said, Hey, would you like to make some money? Here's my 12 number. Do you want to make money? Here's my number, 13 you know, and that's how it went. So I don't remember 14 the names and I really didn't care to know their names, 15 anyway. 16 Q. Do you know their phone numbers? 17 A. Now? 18 Q. Yeah. 19 A. No. 20 Q. Do you know any of their phone numbers? 21 A. No, no, no. That was years ago. Page 50 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012331 2007-04-25 .TXT 22 Q. We're just trying to find any other ladies out 23 there that we haven't already seen and you brought 30 of 24 them and we're just trying to -- 25 A. I don't know if I brought 30 of them. 49 1 Q. Approximate? 2 A. Yeah. No, I have no clue, no idea. 3 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 4 Q. Did you stay in touch with any of the girls 5 that you brought? 6 A. Huh-uh. 7 Q. 8 talked about? DI, 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 any of the girls that we've you ever when yi were eithe iris or when you were givin WAORION*1001W Pges,07-kPtIm4rP8%4? A. Q. 9VA 10W400iiilbi6 massages, di rugs, whether Page 51 V4001i5.4 iculaUs AoW#ONO0E0(14 *64*.gi00$0,064:.&ë usinq. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012332 2007-04-21111111ITxT 21 Q. And just so you know, =, we're not talking 22 about necessarily crack cocaine. We're wondering if 23 anybody was taking any prescription medication? 24 A. I don't know if they were taking prescription 25 medication. That's their problem. I don't know. 50 1 Q. And you didn't give anybody else any 2 prescription drugs? 3 A. No, no. when I was 16, I smoked pot, but no. 4 (start of Tape 2.) 5 MR. EISENBERG: Okay, gang, back on the record. 6 And I assume you mean prescription medication not 7 for prescription purposes? 8 THE WITNESS: I thought you meant like for 9 prescription, prescribed. No, I don't know. 10 AGENT RICHARDS: okay. 11 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 12 Q. But you weren't taking any anti-depressants or 13 pills or anything? 14 A. No, no, I just smoked pot. But I mostly went 15 there sober. I was comfortable with Jeffrey. Jeffrey 16 always made me feel so comfortable. I thought I was a 17 big girl. I was 18. 18 Q. You said that you stopped. why did you stop Page 52 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012333 2007-04-25 XT 19 going over there? You said you had a baby and you 20 changed? 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. what happened? 23 A. Everything changed in my life, everything. I 24 ended up getting a job and I just stopped. I just 25 stopped. I don't know. 51 Q. 'f0J&;,.so: WM OtAt.01 over th ere? 3 A. I just stopped because I have a son now and 4 didn't feel like it was right. First off, I was a 5 stay-at-home mommy, okay. And what am I going to do, 6 bring my son over there to Jeffrey's, no, you know. So I 7 focused on my son. I had a beautiful baby boy that was 8 my pride and joy. I didn't care for anything else. 9 didn't care to tell friends. I dropped all my friends. 10 Like he asked me do I have any numbers, no, you know. If 11 anybody does call me, that's my mother. Like it was just 12 me and my baby boy and it's been like that ever since. 13 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 14 Q. Having a baby is a life-changing experience, 15 isn't it? 16 A. Having a baby? 17 Q. Yes, it's full-time. Page 53 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012334 2007-04-2511111111TxT 18 A. Awesome, I love it. I love it. 19 Q. Yeah, he'll be two in August. 20 A. Mine will be two in June. 21 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 22 Q. Is that when you started working with the 23 company you're working for now? 24 A. well, I was -- the whole time I was pregnant, 25 was taken care of by my baby's father. Then I was a 52 1 stay-at-home mommy for eight months. After that, I 2 worked at LA fitness, Romeo Pizza. it's,been a year now. 3 And what do you mean, is that why I'm working? 4 Q. No, I just didn't know where you were working. 5 I thought you said you had gotten a job afterwards, after 6 the baby was born? 7 A. Yeah, I worked at the laundromat for a couple 8 of days. I just like to -- I wanted to soak in my son. 9 That's all I did and I was like a hermit crab in the 10 house, you know. And if anybody -- I told -- I told 11 I said, you know, I have a baby now and you know, 12 I'd rather stay at home with my baby. My old man was 13 taking care of me. i didn't care about money. 14 Everything was good, so a new life. 15 BY AGENT RICHARDS: Page 54 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012335 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Q. Slaaa • 2007-04-25 TXT qng-of-wor ,.....1dienyotvsetuva XIIMMents: with refer t. e girls were doing as work,. 1i massage A. NO. Q. go over jefti4i for -- how did she -- were any terms used or just in general? Did she ask you if you had any girls that can work or did you have any girls that can come over? Do you have any girls that can give a Jeffrey a massage? How did she ask for these appointments? A. would like to come ov *MA like to WOORZ.i mean, me and were— 53 assa wa Q. okay. BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q. You said that you and had developed a friendly relationship. Did ever tell you what types of girls Jeffrey wanted or I think you said that sometimes she would say he likes this girl or I'm sorry, he likes this girl? Page 55 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012336 2007-04-25 TXT 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. what exactly -- what guidance did she give you 17 about recruiting the girls? 18 A. she didn't give me guidance. Jeffrey from the 19 get-go, I really like women like you. so when I would go 20 searching to make money or whatever or my girlfriends, 21 know what an attractive person looks like and I would -- 22 I would bring them, you know. I didn't bring any 23 overweight people. I just knew what Jeffrey liked, you 24 know. 25 Q. Did you ever talk to massages when you 54 1 gave them, what you did, what you would do? 2 A. Huh-uh. TA 3 Q. I have a picture of someone and I'm just 4 wondering if you recognize this person? 5 A. No. was she a girl that was over there? 6 Q. Just a face that we wanted to 7 A. okay. No, I don't know. 8 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 9 Q. When you would ask the ladies if they'd like to 10 go over to see Jeffrey, what was the percentage? How 11 many people would say sure, that sounds good. Let's go 12 do it. And how many would just say, no, I'm not Page 56 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012337 13 2007-04-25 .TXT interested. mean, do you have -- how often when you 14 would ask the girls -- 15 A. It was usually girls that I brought, the girls 16 that I had brought 141Wfit4g090AIM say, I would 17 say, Listen, girlfried.s and it 18 MAAt.t'40;Udown thetikt Recruit your girlfriends and x 19 will pay you guys. So if I was off the wall, say I was, 20 you know, at a club or something and I was like hey, 21 girl, do you want to -- they'd be like you're crazy, you 22 know. 23 Q. That's what I wondered, when you approached 24 them what was the reaction? 25 A. But when I talked to them over the phone, if it 55 1 was one of my girlfriends' friends or one of their 4 rn:. exactly an they'd be like wmikp: ' Wou know, how your morals are or whatever, if you're 5 comfortable with your body, if you're comfortable with 6 giving an old man a massage for $200. 7 Q. For 30 minutes. 8 A. You know, everybody is a different person. 9 Q. Sure. 10 A. But most of the girls were -- they were like 11 yeah, sure, yeah. Page 57 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012338 n't t 2007-04-25=.TXT 12 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 13 Q. Did you ever say anything about, you know, be 14 careful who you talk to about this or I guess I'm 15 wondering why, you know, were rumors going around at 16 school or how did everything keep under wraps? 17 A. Everybody knew. I don't know. Everybody made 18 jokes about it. Like it was not in school. It was more 19 like in my neighborhood. They would call me Heidi Pleish 20 and everybody just made jokes about it. I don't know. 21 It wasn't -- but I didn't care. 22 Q. Right. 23 A. You know, it wasn't if you didn't get out -- it 24 wasn't really a big thing to me at all. 25 Q. I guess I'm just wondering, you know, kind of 56 1 the way that this all came out was finally a parent found 2 out about it -- 3 A. Yeah, I heard. 4 Q. -- and went ballistic. How did you keep these 5 girls' parents from finding out? 6 A I don't know, probably embarrassing. They 7 cbviously liked efirey that nnkh that.thg. 8 anyone. 9 Q. Did anybody hassle you at school? Did anybody Page 58 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012339 2007-04-25 .TXT 10 call you Heidi Fleish at school? 11 A. NO, no, no, I was out of school by then, No. 12 Q. why did you drop out of school? 13 A. Well, actually, -- Why? 14 Q. I'M sorry. I interrupted you. 15 A. Because -- no, you didn't, well, my mother had 16 took me me out of school to home-school me. And then I 17 had went back to a school because i was really behind 18 because she didn't home-school me and I had got pregnant, 19 that's why. And that's in the eleventh grade, that's 20 when I got out because I was pregnant. And I decided 21 that I was -- I mean, I didn't know what I was doing. I 22 wanted to have a house. I said I'm going to have this 23 baby. i need to have a house, a car, and I set out all 24 my goals and that's what happened. But then I ended up 25 getting my GED and I have a life. 57 1 2 .4 6 7 8 BY AGENT RICHARDS: Wzre them wanting work over. work over there and make.S ck that? A. Q. Do you remember any of their names or were they classmates or -- Page 59 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012340 2007-04-25M. TXT 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 any of us, for me or -- 25 1 :4: 5 6 A. to but hope A. It wasn't --It wasn't involved in the school so much. It was just that girl in the school. Q. okay. so she was really the only like school-related -- A. Like person from school, yeah. Q. okay. A. BUt it was mostly out of school. So I wasn't really hanging out with the best crowd. And all the people that I did hang out with, they were dropouts. So it wasn't anything in school. It was mostly like the neighborhood people or my friend, one of my guy friends' girlfriend or whatever, you know. We were all young and stupid, but -- BY MS. BILAFONIA: Q. Anything else? Do you have any questions for - h 0 e Jeffrey, nothing tobilowt_ ecam awesome man arid .11:0X11.10gAWFPF! Q. 46:A. 58 awesome Are you in love with him at all? A. My God, no. I love him as a friend. Page 60 I love HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012341 2007-04-25 TXT 7 him as a friend. He has done so much for me. No, I'm 8 not in love with him. I tell Jeffrey, do you want to 9 marry me with all of the money that you have. 10 AGENT RICHARDS: All right. At this time, 11 we're going to conclude the interview. It is 5:34 12 by my watch. 13 MR. EISENBERG: The only thing we'll correct is 14 that there might have been a reference to an old guy 15 at 50 and we'll just say a more mature individual 16 who may be in his 50s. Thank you. 17 (End of the tape.) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 59 1 CERTIFICATE 2 3 4 The State of Florida, ) 5 Page 61 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012342 2007-04-25 TXT 6 County of Palm Beach. ) 7 8 9 10 I, Vicki S. Woodham, Notary Public, do hereby 11 certify that I was authorized to and did listen to and 12 stenographically transcribe the foregoing tape-recorded 13 proceedings and that the transcript is a true record to 14 the best of my ability. 15 16 Dated this 26th day of April, 2007. 17 18 19 20 21 22 Vicki S. Woodham 23 my Commission Expires: 24 December 08, 2010 25 Commission No.: DD617559 60 Page 62 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012343 2007-04-25 _TXT Page 63 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012344 TAB 7 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012345 Page 1 IN RE: OFFYREY EFS=IN TTIPEF, TN7ERVTF !s7otzl-y find Phort - Op. • J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.682.0905 98ae64ed-fabf-461a-b5d2-be85289cc516a 01910 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012346 Page 'I (fhereupon, the following interview was had]) DETECTIVE RECAREY: -- December 13th, 2005. This is ID number -- Detective Joe Recarey with the town of Palm Beach Police Department. Present is Detective Dawson with the Palm Beach Police Department. BY DEFECTIVE RE CAREY: A 0 A A Can you state your name for the record, please. S:lel] it lease Your date of birth? ow old are you'? A Seventeen. Q Okay. Vol] saw I just spoke to your mom and she has given me anthorr,zation ro speak to you. I am investigating a case involving a gentleman by the name of Jeffrey. You may know him as Jeff or Jeffrey lives in the Town of Palm Beach. We believe that you may have some information pertaining to his residence ancPor a visit at his house. I'm going to ask you in your own words tell me exactly what happened fr.im the beginning. I may interrupt you to ask you some more questions 'out before we begin. can lapse your Oulu hand for ine. Do yt,11 solemnly swear tO tell the truth, the is truth and nothing but the multi so help you God.' A I do. Q Okay. 1-,otiii!AO.vdtkinit,..:i.O]vhci*..ydti4iIU A (Inaudible) not really friends. 111111160:m.g :v-ANN thin she found a as of Making mcney.'mu can pet money. And then she said that ift ever told anybody she'd beat my ass and so 1 didn't even know what she was talking -- okay. Right bellse we got m there she's like oh, he might ask you to like take off your shirt or something. Hut I didn't -- it didn't matter Si' I said okay. And I went in his house. A Lady escorted me up to his room. Had a bed on it. Q Okay_ I.e.! n hack ui up for a second A MI huh. Q You said this was right before Christmas. Christmas of last yea' in the yea! beliiie? A Last Year Q Last year. A Oh-hoh. Q So tins is December of 200.1, righil ; 4 .t A Oh-huh. Q Okay. How old were you then? A I think 16. Q Okay. A And then I went up there. He was on the phone and 6 he just told me to massage his feet so I went over there and 7 did it. (Inaudible) and everything and then Q 1 told on for a second. Hold on. Take me from when 9 you got to the house in Palm Beach. First of all, do you 7. remember the name of the street'? A You said it before but I just can't remember. Q Okay. Do you remember any specifics of the house? A I know where it is if I were tc: go back. I could find it. Q Okay. .; A It was at the end on the left side. Q The end on the left side? Okay. Do you remember the color of the house? A Oh. It was too long ago. Q Okay. I know it's been some time and we did speak . once before A lib-hub. 1 7 1 L 0 A All right. So you were walking in with Uh-huh. Q Okay. Take me from clo you go in the front door? . : Do von go through the garage? A No. You 2.0 to the sick gate. You have to knock on the back door kind of. Q Lilt-huh. A And a lady will ask you like what's your name and why you're there. Q Okay. What's the lady's nante? Do you know? A No. I think she was the maid because she was like InkIng. up towels aid she was bringing Mem upstairs Q Do you krow -- can you describe her to me? A She might be a Spanish lady. I can't remember so 0 Okay. And when you walked in, there was food on the Inhale. I bey offered you (laid. And I waited a couple of minutes. I guess he was in another session_ I don't know. Because like a girl walked out before I walked in and this really pretty lady. he walked in with two ladies and they were like_ they looked like models or something and one had blond long hair and one of Mein came down and told me I could go upstairs. .fhat's probably her. And as we were walking up the stairs she told ine what was going to happen like well, he's going. to have some lotions there and he'll probably be on the phone for a little while. Q Okay. Did the blond lady with the longhair take J_ 2 L.' ages Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.682.0905 98ae64ed-fabf-4618-b5d2-be135289cc56a 01911 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012347 Pricie A 9 1.1 12 13 1 4 e 16 YOU upstairs? A Yeah. Q Okay. How does she take you upstairs? How did VDU -- A She just said follow me. Q Did she -- did you go up a big staircase? Little staircase? A It was like a living room. It was the kitchen and than a living room and you turned right and then it was like a staircase that would hke I :,.ness it's kind of-- like spirals. Q Okay. Did she take you to where? A It kind of looked like a bathroom hut there was no toilets. It was a cold room and it had like a sauna in there. Q Okay. It A A big sauna. Just table where he was going to lay on. A place where you could wash your hands and it just kind of looked like it was a room for that. Q Okay. Okay. So take me from there. A He turned the lights down some and he was on the phone. lies like oh. just (inaudible) lotions are here and you can start by rubbing 111V feet. So I put some lotion, rubbed his feet. and then he told me to rub his calves. his legs or whatever. And then Lin trying to remember. And 1 Ycult. arid then he wanted me to rub his back. I started up 2 top and then lie kept asking me to no tower and lower and he 3 still had the towel on at tins point and then when I got 1 right to where his -- right above his like butt like kind of right above here -- Q Oh-huh. 7 A -- he like flipped over and he just told me to A like man rubbing like his stomach and stuff like that and his chest and then he told me, he's like why don't you just take off your shirt and pants. I was like (inaudible). so I 11 did that and then -- 12 Q You had your shirt and pants on when you were nibbing his feet and calves? 4 A Uh-huh. 15 Q Okay. You took off your pants and shirt. 16 A Uh-huli. Q Okay. _ to 1 A And then like he got more (inaudible) and he took off his towel. Q Okay. A I don't really like know why he was doing that but and then lie he was kind of like talking to me like trying to get to know me about my sex. life He's like oh. you're such a beautiful girl. He's like well what are you like when you have sex. I didn't really answer him. I was like. 2 3 6 1 4 2 21 well. I don't really like to do anything. (Inaudible) a massage. 'that's it. And he's like nh but you're so beautiful. And he kept saying that for some reason. 0 All right. Let me stop you for a second. When he took off his towel. was he completely naked'? A lih-huh. Yes. Q Okay. And you were in bra and panties'? A Oh huh. Q Okay. Okay. 'Fake me from there. So he took off his towel_ he's telling, you how beautiful you are. A And lie told me. he told me to nib his nipples like he's like oh. just pinch them or something_ And I was like all rirlit. And then he had one hand on his P. Q Okay A And then he like tried ribbing on my priyes (phonetic) and he had like the middle of my bra was the snap off part and he like snapped it off and he \NTS trying to led l my boobs and then he just grabbed my thighs and he was jacking hunsell oil at the same time and then he went down to -- should I say Mat? O Say it. A Nly vagina. By DITA Ec•rivE DAwsom Q We've heard it all A Yeah. And he like didn't take otTmv panties but he like pushed them to the side and he's like feeling down there and he's like don't won-y. don't worry. I'm not going to go in, da do do. It's so we i rd I'm like anyway. And then he stared rubbing down there and then he started talking dirty. He's like au, your c lit feels so hard and stuff And l like backed away. I was like (inaudible). O Okay. At any time did you tell hint no? Did you tell hint you're not comfortable with this? A I hacked away and I said I otis like well. I don't know if I shouki do tilat and I was like very hesitant and so seared that I didn't know what to do. Kind of like you just want to ret ii over with to get it over with. And then -- and I 'was feeling so ieitsc.: guess that's why he was saying it. And then he actually stuck his fingers in there end I hacked away again. He goes oh, don't won-y, don't worry And he's like okay. fin sorry. Then he went back to the outside and he was still jerking hinisel ruff mid then finally he finished himself. wrapped up his towel and said there was S200 on the counter and then there's an extra hunched for iike oh. I'd like to see you again. I was like yeah, I don't knov.'. Q Okay. Let nie bring you back to when he snapped oil your bra. A I ih-huh. When he snapped it off. did you take it off or did J. (Pacies 6 7.0 9) Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.682.0905 98ae64ed-fabf-461a-b5d2-b€035.289cc56a 01912 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012348 Page I LiI he slip it off of you or did you just have it on and it was 2 just hanging? A Yeah, it was just hanging. He had snapped it off 4 and it was just right here. Q Okay. At any time did he touch your breasts? A Yeah. Q When -- okay. So you're standing there, your bra 8 has been unsnapped. What kind of panties did you have on? Do you remember? A Athmg. Q Affione A Uh-huh. Q He started touching you on the outside of your panties or did he 1110%.12 your panties to one side? A On the outside first and then he moved, he moved them over. Q Okay. And then he started touching you on the outside of your vagina? 1 9 A Uh-huh. 2 n Q And he told you he was not going to go inside. 21 A Yeah. Q At what point did that change'? A When he started feeling down there and then 21 when -- pretty soon. 25 Q When you say Fltgers, did be use more than one .. ......... . 3 34 37 finger? A I think he used two but I don't know, Q Okay. A And [lieu after Judd him, I backed away and I was 5 kind of like shaking my head no, he's like okay, I'm sorry. O And then he kind of still put his fingers down there. He was just like pushing really hard on me like, f don't kuow, • he just, it just fed like Ins lingers weren't in me but it • was ciose enough to where it still felt weird. 1 S Q How did you __ how. did -- when he had his lingers ii inside you, on backed up to eel them out or -- I. 2 A Yeah. And to let hirn know that I don't want to do -3 that. Q Okay. And none of this was told to you by that this would happen? A No. Q Okay. A That's why when I got out I was freaking out but 1 didn't even say anything to her and then she asked me what happened and I told her what happened and she said oh. it's okay. He did that to one of my other friends 1 brottaht 2 here. And I was like and you let him do that and still got 7 MC in there? And she's like oh, ifs okay. You got 2.00. Does it matter? I said did you have to do that? She said no. 1 was like all right, then you don't know how it feels. Pa 12 She's like let's just go shopping and stuff and I was like no. ;I Q Okay. During this time that this was occurring, ; 4 he was jerking off you said'? A Uh-huh. Q Okay. What does that mean to you'? I mean like is ▪ it something that -- do you know v.-hat masturbation is? 8 3 -2 23 9 I Lt A A Yeah. Is that what you consider Okay. Did you -- sorry. A That's Okay. Q Do you know \vital a circumcised and uncirouncised penis is? A Umm, then (inaudible.) No. I krow what it is. Q Okay. Did you visually sec his penis'? A Uh-huh_ Yeah. Q Would you say it was circumcised or uncircumcised? A I would think it would be circumcised but I tried not to look. Q Okay. A I was kind of just like looking ali.ay because I didn't want to see what was actually happening. Q Okay, You said that he had finished. A Ile came. Q Okay. A Because he was like a big sigh of relief like he had been done and he just got right hack up and -- Q Do you know where he came an'? Was it on the towel? Was it on himself? On the bed or -- A 1 think it was on the towel like right between Ins :eg,s probably. Q Okay. As 1 told you before. and I explained to your mom, what he did was wrong, o'say? A 1.311-hui. Q l want to reassure you on that. Okay'? At any point did be ever ask you to leave your phone number or -- A No He didn't ask nte for anything. like I think he asked me my name in the begualir.14. I'Ytd tie kno'1viai at, A Ftlo&t'igiAc P4,!0.04.0 : 9 old 'is'e+,oi1Just,ay.ye 0].4!]efAip. , 23 ................. dd .................................................................... Q Do you have any formal massage training? A No. That's why I thought (inaudible). Q Okay. How long would you say this session lasted? J. Consor & Associates Repo=ing & Transcription 561.682.0905 983e64ed-fabi-461a-b5d2-be85289cc563 01913 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012349 ( 1 3 4 15 7 9 1.0 11 12 14 1 16 18 19 20 22 73 24 2E, Page 1,1 • A Probably like around 45 minutes. Q Forty-five minute.s? Okay. You said he wonted to see you again. Did the blond hair lady try to take your information or -- A lie said oh, well; I think gave my secretary your name and number and sruff and I'd like to see you again and -- Q Did anybody from the house ever call you again? A Ilub-huh. Q Nobody ever called you? A No. A A Okay. So you only went there that one time Yeah. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Yes. There was another girl that like Pacfe 16 DETECTIVE KE.CAREY: Okay. Can you think of anything else? 3 BY DETECTIVE DAWSON: 4 Q Was he in good shape? Was he a blob'? • 5 A He was old but he wasn't as muscular or anything • 6 like that. He was like a regular old guy. BY DETECTIVE RECAREY: . 8 Q Did he have any accents or anything or A Huh-huh. No. ' ' Q Did he ever introduce himself to yon2 A No. That's why I don't know who you're talking about. I guess I heard that name in front of (Inaudible) took notes on his name or anything. Q I know this is difficult for you and I know it was difficult from talking to you the other day and it's difficult talking to you now. A Uh-huh. Q But I've talked to a lot of people and I really appreciate you talking to me about this. A Oh-huh. Q Is there anything else you'd like to add to this statement? A No. DETECTIVE RECAREY: No? I'm going to go ahead and conclude this statement. The time by my 1 , there were other rumors like they were partners in doing that. Q Who was that? 7, 8 A This girl I'm not. I'm not quite sure_ My brother would probably know because she's older than us t because she met her at Publix afterwards and went 2_ and gave her some money. I think they had to share the $100 2 that they did. (Inaudible) a hundred bucks. And (hen 1 heard another thing at my school that there was like a rumor ' 21 about this other girl it happened to. I just didn't say 25 1 anything because I didn't ‘‘ant anyone to know about me. 2 Q Do you know who the other girl was? 'r< A I could ask. Q No. Don't worry about it. 5 A Okay. 6 Q Did he know you went to A I don't think he knew anything about me. 9 Q Like the quest:ons that he asked you in trying to • get to know you, what kind of question I neon other than the 11 sexual questions'? 2 A He didn't really ask me -- oh, wait, he asked ate .1 3 what school I went to. lie was just asking inc like how I 1 4 felt because you're pod at massaging, (inaudible) how I got 13 n the business. I thought yeah. 'hard be cool. And he I 6 tried to ask me so do you have a boyfriend, what do you do 7 liar fun. Pretty much like it was kind of weird how often I 8 (inaudible). Now do you like to have sex. Oh. do you like I 9 it when people like touch your [wall's. I said no. I don't ieally like when pro* touch illy body because I'm shy owl (inaudible) don't let im.yvne touch my boobs anyway. He did it. Q Okay. 2 4 A 130 he kept asking roe like about his nipples 25 Ile's like oh, that feels so good like -- 4 1.3 7 23 2 4 2 E. watch is 5:25 p.m. (Thereupon, the interview ended.) - - - 7 (FaLjes 14 to 17) J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.682.0905 98ae64ed-fab f-461 a- b5 d2-13e 85289cc5 6a 01914 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012350 Pacji.: 18 CERTIFICATE 3 STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH ) Sandra Rossi. Court Reporter. State of Florida at Large. certify that was authorized to and did stenographically report the fargointz proceedings, and that the transcript is a true and complete record of the tapc as !isteneci to by me_ Dated this 30th day of January. 2007. n 1 a Sandra Rossi. Court Reporter 6 g J. Consor & Associates Reporting & franscription 561.682.0905 98ae64ed-fabf-461 a-b5d2-be85289cc56a 01915 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012351 TAB 8 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012352 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED CAP INTERVIEW OF 02505 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012353 10 1 1 12 .1:3 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 9 10 11 12 13 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 94 25 MS. ROBSON: -- say anything to you about 4 this (inaudible). right? 5 BY UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: 6 Q You know we're not going to argue again. We're 7 not going to keep much from you. 8 A I just don't want to rat anybody out. I'm not an idiot. Come on. now. That wasn't more of a ratting out. 11 was more of a A Complaint? Q You got it. A (Inaudible.) Q You're a smart girl. A I'm not an idiot. Q Yeah. No. you're not an idiot_ A Sof guess karma. you know. • (Inaudible.) I'm kidding I'm kidding. I don't even know who he is. A I don't know. Il's such a big -- there's so many girls out there that have worked for him it's not even funny. Q Really? A Like 1 said, some bring friends who bring friends Pd ye 3 1 whit bring friends. DurcrivE Rl:CAREY: All right. You notified 3 Jimmy? 4 I INTD1NTI Fl NMI .E SPEAKER: I notified Jimmy 5 DETECTIVE RECAREY: Give him a call. 6 (Inaudible) 692 -- our ending mileage was 692323. 7 sorry. 6923. Our beginning mileage to head 8 Sack southwest -- Onauchblek ;Inaudihle) white 9 female (inaudible) same mileage 6923. What was that? INIDENTLFIND MALE SPEAKER: Fire truck. R01350N: so when will I know what's going :o happen? BYIINIDENTIFIED 51'1:AKER: Q Well, here's the thing. What arc you doing ha-non-ow'? Well, no. nere's our goal. We would like to at least to talk to -- help ine. UNI DI:NT 1 F1ED MA 1 .1: SPEAKER 2: We want to try to interview some of these -- MS. ROBSON: (Inaudible.) 13Y UNIDENTIFIED MAI. SPEAK) iR: Q Right Tonight. A Tonight free so -- Q Okay'. BY DET1:..CTIVE RECAREY: 5 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 29 25 1 DI___A (Thereupon. the following interview was had:) 1 2 2 3 3 4 5 Q Tomorrow yon're working') A Tomorrow I go to saw' from 12 to 4. BY 1:N1DENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER. (,) 11h-huh. A Wednesday I go to (inaudible). 6 Q Well. tomorrow what are you doing after 4:(k? 7 A Nothing. 8 Q Okay. BY DFTErrivFIZNCARFY: (7 1)0 you have to go to work'? A (Inaudible) Thursday BY LN1DENTWIED MALE SPEAKER: Q Okay. We would prefer to do it sooner than later and our, our request from you at this point as we move along is really for von to make that phone call and introduce us and sa,vou know, these are the detectives from the Palm Beach Police Departmoit. I've told them evelything. They're on their was to your house. Do you know these girls' schedules by chance or anything like that'? Do they still go to high school? A WelkEstill goes to high school. She's a senior. Q Okay. And that's, unit's who we want to speak to tonight. From what you're telling us. we're confidentM \rill not be going and talking to Jeffrey. Depending on how Page 4 Page 5 that goes weinight give you a eali and ask you to make another phone call for us. II' we could break out the list 3 as we drive. make sure we have a little order of obviously 4 based on what you're saying, should be the last on our list. We don't know if she's still -- 6 OF: FEC•11VE RECAREY: =, she's in Orlando. 7 We can do that one over the phut ie. 8 BY ENIDINTIEIED MALE SPEAKER: 9 Q Now didn't von sav she was back though? 10 A is back. Idon't know it' she has class 11 tomorrow but I don't know if she la already or not. 12 Q What kind of class? Is she in college or 13 something'? 14 A Lollege. Yeah, she's up in Orlando. I don't 1.5 know. She !night have already left. What is today? Monday? 16 Q Yeah 17 A Oh. well she might have ahead',' hell today. She 18 had class today_ 19 Q Oh. today. yeah. 20 A Yeah, she does. Very rarely lost to see her 21 parents and stuff Like she lives up in Orlando. She might 22 come back once a month on the weekend to visit her parents. 23 Q Now do you talk oMat all oi not really? 24 A Ihung out with her last night. She came down 25 from college and stuff. 2 ( Pacles 2 Lo 5) 02506 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012354 Q A But -- 3 Q That Y‘as Sunday night So she ii as around jt is( 4 last night. 5 A She was around last night but. like I said, 1 don't -- she might be still here. she 'night be up in Orlando 7 now. 3 BY DETECTIVE RECAREY: 9 Q Okay What about 10 A Oh. 1 don't like her. I don't like her. What 1. l about her'? She never worked for, she never worked for 12 Jeffrey but she's been to his house before. She knows about I 3 it. Knows about everything that went on. She was the one 14 that was with (inaudible). Q Okay. Does know=? Do the!, 16 know each other'? 17 A I don't know. 18 BY UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: 19 Q Then phonetic) lives like a couple blocks 20 away from yon. yeah? 21 A Yeah_ 22 BY DETECTIVE REC.AREY: 23 Q Okay. lives (inaudible.) 24 A (Inaudible.) 25 Q Okay. Why are you afraid of (inaudible)? 1)____RA MS RI )13SON: So what ii 2 BY DETFCTI VI'. RI ',CAREY: Q ( lkoy. Well we'll move on. 4 BY (JN11)1iNFIFIED MALE SPEAKER: 5 Q That's our -- right now we want you to help us 6 with an order of who in your mind (inaudible) you're 7 confident was 16 or maybe 17 when they went there, who 8 probably no longer has any connections with Jeff (inaudible) 9 who at least Maybe a dayirikeep their mouth shut. 10 A Okay. Well with I don't know how old she 11 is because she lied about her age. She lied to me when I 12 first Mei her When I \V Zel 18 she told me she was IS. 13 (Inaudible.) Well she left her purse at my house and she 11 told inc to make sure that I didn't took in her purse. When -15 I \Y on through her purse. I found her mote license that said 16 she v‘ its 16. So she lied to inc about her age. I don't care 17 allow ii orkingl'or Jeffrey. but -- 18 Q We're looking for girls that went upstairs wall 19 Jeff 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Those three or four gals, whatever you can, you 22 ..now, help us OW with here. that is our goal in the next 23 let's say 24 hours. 24 A Okay . 25 Q Is to reach out to as manv of those gmls and it a not home? Page 8 Po ye 7 A Oh, no. Fin not afraid you know what it comes 2 down to? It Comes down to this. Pin not all aid of any of 3 those girls but when I almost rough cries to 4 EllandMwas brought in to our group which was stupid 5 11 and instead being 'nature about what happened three years ago. Was like NI going to kick your ass. da da 7 and I was like you know what? You talk a good game. Leave 8 ii te idone pretty much. It got ridiculous so I had to change 9 m number and I saw her at (molkiibIC) one night. She 10 i r1Of [ I behind. I go i.ou didn't sav anything to rile 11 all night and when she jumped me from behind she jumped me 12 so whatever. Owls are stupid. 13 BY L NIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: 14 Q All right. Who else v, as on that list von got t1H7117'? I 6 BY DEJE(,TIVE RECAREY: 17 1..) 1)o you know a girl named 18 A 19 (Cellular telephone discussion as followsl 20 DE II:C.11W RECARI-:Y: llelo? Yes. I ley, 21 Dahlia. Okay. Right. Okay. Right, right, 22 right, right, right, right, right. Well, that's 23 the case, that's the situation. Right. ()kay. 24 All right. Right. We're gonna meet with her 25 tonight. (inaudible.) Okay? All right. Bye. Pdge 9 1 might be as simple as we give you a call on your cell 2 phone -- 3 A And you call them. 4 Q And you Nny hey, we need you to call this girl and 5 tell here we arc out front because that's one thing we want 6 to do is figure out where these girls live tonight so that 7 we can remll out to them and say hey= we're out in front of so and so's house, can you give her a call and let 9 I k h bet' ..nov, there's a couple of detectives outside and no, 10 u mere not kidding. the- realls arc there and heads up. You I 1 knon iihat I n !Calf' 12 A Yeah. 13 Q what we'd like to -- e've got it hall' hour 14 there if ii e can make some details on that so we're all on 15 the same page. that's what we're ping to do. 16 So how many girls was on the list that ‘,Nc started 17 with? 1 B A You asked me if I knew an 19 Q We don't know -- what we're going to need is the 20 lost names of these girls as well. So if you've got some 21 lost names. 22 A 1 don't know- Imean -- 23 Q That's okay Imean -- what about 24 A ? I've heard of a gi:-Inamed but I 25 don't know (inaudible), you know? To my knowledge! don't 3 (Paces 6 to 9) 02507 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012355 1 know. (Inaudible'?) 2 Q No. (Inaudible'?) 3 BY DETECTIVE RECAR EY: 4 Q No. (Inaudible.) 5 A Inaudible). Not that I know of I know a 6 girl named but I definitely (inaudible) not like 7 that. 8 Q (Inaudible'?) 9 A Don't know. I know (inaudible). 10 BY UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: 11 Q Besides Mwho clse ended up upstairs with Jeff? 12 A That's it. 13 Q Okay. 14 A 15 16 A (Inaudible.) 17 Q Okay. Do you know their last names? 18 A s last name l don't know. I don't know 19 s fast name. (phonetic). 20 And I know Ms brother. 21 (inaudible) I think the last name is M. I don't 22 know if (inaudible) or anything because I know like 23 (inaudible). It might be 24 Q (Inaudible?) 25 A Royal Palm (inaudible.) Page 12 1 Sicilian° should have the hong out 2 Q hang out. 3 A ()Hoe a bit. And von should also (inaudible) and 4 I know the first three digits it's 5 it might b but I haven't talked to her in a Nvhile. 6 Q Sc' il We start withEtolught_ based on what y011 JUSE :Aid 'Mould introduce us to 7 who then 8 could introduce us to -- 9 A "l'it .len Reyes. 10 DET1ICTIVE RECARIIY: Okay. 11 hangs Out Ir]th tionig to talk to Obvtonsk nIt 12 last 13 tV lINIONNTIFIED MAU SPEAKER. Q Right. We want to iivoid ill all costs. 15 So our qt iC5t 01110yo1.1 IS this group of three 16 girls -- 17 A l'hey nit kilow cm:11(ithr:r 18 19 20 21 92 23 24 25 Q They know each other A They all know ezicli other. Q A .hey kno‘‘ They know everybody, its like a group or people ‘‘110 all know each other. Q Faith (inaudible) A The only one they might riot know is (inaudible) but... Page 11 Q (Inaudible'?) 2 A (Inaudible.) 3 Q Do you know their phone numbers by chance or do 4 you have them in your phone maybe or -- 5 A Let me check. Okay. What's the first girl? 6 Q 7 A I know by heart. It's and 8 it's a 9 A I don't even ha\ e in my phone. 11 12 A I know hers by heart. Area 13 code 14 Q How about 15 A no, I don't know her number at all I 6 Q (Inaudible.) 17 A I'm pretty sure that's her number 18 because that's the only ones I have. 19 90 A I know her brother's number but 21. don't have her number. 22 Q Is that his cell? 23 A (Inaudible.) 24 Q Okay. (Inaudible.) 25 A Uh-huh. (Inaudible.) will have Page 13 1 Q All we've got is a group of girls that -- cf .A 'They've all heard of each other (inaudible). 3 Q Now do they all go to school \yid] each other to 4 your knowledge? 5 A Some of them. Not all of them but some of them 6 still go to school together. 7 Q Does she still go to school'? A She still goes to 9 Q 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A I don't know if' graduated last Pm not quite sure. might have graduated last year. (Inaudible.) Q Okay. So theywouldn't have as much contact as the other group. (Inaudible) that goes to school. .A (Inaudible.) Q My office is warm. The bullpen out there is hike 1‘ arm. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER 2 I love the cold. BY UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Q Yeah. and it's a twenty-year old building so nothing really circulates as well as it should that old but (inaudible) in the car_ If there's anybody that we need to (inaudible). we're not going to talk to. year or (inaudible). -1 (Pages 10 to 13) 02508 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012356 1 HY DKrEC'lIVN Rh:CAREY: 2 Q (Inaudible.) 3 A (Inaudible) call her, open your mouth to any of 4 them. - 5 By DFFECTI 12FCAREY: 6 Q We will absolutely tell them that that they would 7 be obstructing an investigation. 8 A the only one that's going to open her mouth is 9 probably The only one (inaudible) say anything 10 would he M. 11 Q Are these girls, you know, are they embarrassed 12 about what they've done? Would they rather nobody know if 13 it possible or are they out there flaunting it? 14 A They don't care. 15 Q Okay That was my question. 16 A These girls don't care. For the must part they 17 don't care. 18 Q Okay 19 A Otherwise they wouldn't do it. 20 Q I tend to agree hut that doesn't mean you -- 21 everybody else (inaudible) get in on the action or 22 (inaudible) in general. 23 A (Inaudible.) 24 Q I hear that Oh, okay. (Inaudible) call 25 dispatch. A couple of females, (inaudible) get some Page 16 Page 15 1 addresses. After were done with• I thinkMwe were 2 talking about next? (Inaudible.) Oh, okay. 3 A Well. 1 don't know (inaudible) well. Q We should probably try her since she would be 5 leaving. You want to try --=is ulT to college. A (Inaudible.) 7 UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: (Inaudible) 8 necessary. 9 (Two minutes of inaudible conversation.) 10 (lbereupon, the tape ended.) 11 12 13 14 l 6 J.7 18 19 20 21 23 24 2 5 (Pages 14 to 16) 02509 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012357 TAB 9 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012358 Page :1 TN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 02420 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012359 2 1____I (Thereitpon, the following interview was had:) 3 BY DETECTIVN FCAR 4 Q Today's da:e is October 4th, 2005_ This is ID 5 number 7915 Detective Joe Reearey of the Palm Reach Police 6 Department. Piesent at 1301 (inaudible) Road is Detective 7 Michael Dawson of the Palm Beach Police Department 8 ATOM>) you slate VOIR ii;tnt lilt !he rec.:mil') 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 1.7 18 19 20 21 29 23 24 25 A A Q A A A A Q Okay. Can you raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? A Yes. Q Okay.= if you could tell me from the beginning how you met Jeffrey 11pstein. I know you have some 2 how do you spell your last name? Okay. How old are you? I'm Ii,. F.ighteen. Okay. You're currently in college? Yeah. Okay. What ctillege are you attending? Okay. And your date of birth is? Page el 1 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 2 why I didn t want morn to be it) here. And you can talk to me 3 about anything. Okay? Tikc I said, I've interviewed other 4 people already who have told me what transpired in that 5 room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 6 A Well, the first hmel went there I did a massage 7 and he was just asking me a lot of questions. lie seemed 8 like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 9 stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept 10 looking at me Lind he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 11 like yealt. NomotOgo•00:(0.0*.0400klogigE-ogt was Ijkc he's-like .10.i.;;WW0;141i3Vataikiiit 14 And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like 15 oh,Idon't know. Anti then he would like change the subject 16 and he started talking shout other things. And then hen we 3 7 were done he said that if like I wanted to conic back tind do 18 more then he would like pay inc more and then I would have it 19 talk to Haley and I could come back. 20 Q Okay. What kind °I-questions did he ask you as 21 you were massaging him? 22 A He was asking about -- it was a year ago.: don't 23 remember everything but.. 24 Q Right. 5 A He was just asking me it'll-tad tui friends that 4 5 6 A IiiigNifii;i3i6.405,i* fOiie 7 Q Okay. How long ago was that? 8 A It 11:.:: probably about almost a year agi. 9 (,) Okay. Okay.. 1.0. A Aiiafia.-;,,,t1-;::Wakihi;iE;aW'Avilgii.gi'ijigij,•4iiii.siive V.A:t :105116,ifilidiitk whatever and then after that like he kind 13 of scared me when I went there sol just decided not to go 14 back.. 15 Q Okay. The first time you went will you 16 go umstairs with him? 17 A No, I stayed down in the kitchen, (Audio at 2:03) 18 Q Okay. Did tell you that -- what was 19 entailed as to what had to he dime? 20 A Well she said the first lime you go ifs just like 21 a IrlatiSagC and she said like welL the more volt go supposedl 22 the more he like expects and starts flirting 'a tilt girls and 23 that's what kind of like scared mc. 24 Q Okay. I've interviewed other girls and they've 25 tO:d inc pretty much the same thing about the massage but Page 3 1 information and we arc conducting an investigation. We were 2 here last night, spoke with your mom and dad. If you can 3 just start from the beginning as to how you met him. Okay And how came about. A (Audio 1:26) : 7 Page 5 1 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then • 1 heasked rite about what 1 wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and I asked hint what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically 5 Q Okay. Did he ever ask you how old you were? A No. (Audit) at 4:08) Q No. Did he know that you were 17? A No, I don't think so. 9 Q Well it would have he= 16 lin 'a-as a vein. ago, 10 right? 11 A Well it like was ttlmost a year ago. (Inaudible) 12 17. 13 Q Okay. During the massage did you -- were you 14 naked or -- 15 A No. I had Inv clothes on 16 Q You had all yi)ur clothes on? 17 A 11h-hoh. 18 Q Okay. Did he touch you in am, w ay? 19 A He was like kind of like caning towards it but I