TAB 1 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012197 First Assistant U.S. Attorney DELIVERY BY FACSIMILE Jay P. Lefkowitz, Esq. Kirkland & Ellis LLP Citigroup Center 153 East 53rd Street • New York, New York 10022-4675 Re: Jeffrey Epstein U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney Southern District of Florida 99 PIE. 4 Street Miami, FL 33132 (305) 961-9100 May 19, 2008 Dear Mr. Lefkowitz, I am in receipt of your e-mail dated May 19, 2008 to the United States Attorney. The U.S. Attorney would like me to advise you that all communications and inquiries related to the Epstein matter, will be handled by AUSA Marie Villafana and/or her supervisor, Karen Atkinson, so he does not intend to respond to your e-mail or calls unless AUSA Villafana and/or her supervisors advise him otherwise. Furthermore, you make reference to "our July 8 deadline." Respectfully, the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida ("SDFL") has never agreed to any such deadline. Should you decide to provide the SDFL with any additional information, please do so through AUSA Villafana, and, in her absence, AUSA Atkinson. On September 24, 2007, your client, Jeffrey Epstein, in consultation with Gerald Lefcourt, Esq. and Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq., as well as numerous other nationally-renowned lawyers, including but not limited to Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, former Independent Counsel and Solicitor General of the United States Kenneth Starr, just to name a few, entered into a global resolution of state and federal liabilities faced by your client ("the Agreement") with the SDFL. Although you and other members of the defense team have since claimed that the Agreement was the product of adhesion, the following facts demonstrate that Epstein knowingly and voluntarily entered into the Agreement in order to avoid a federal indictment regarding his sexual conduct involving minor victims. Despite the fact that by signing the Agreement, Epstein gave up the right to object to its provisions, the SDFL bent over backwards to exhaustively consider and re-consider your objections. Since these objections have finally been exhausted and Epstein has previously expressed his intent to not comply with several of the terms and conditions of the Agreement as set forth below, the SDFL hereby notifies you that unless he complies with all of the terms and conditions of the Agreement, as modified by the United States Attorney's December 19,2007 letter to Ms. Sanchez by close of business on Monday, June 2, 2008, the SDFL will elect to terminate the Agreement. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012198 JAY P. LEFKOWITZ, ESQ. May 19, 2008 PAGE 2 OF 6 Background The Agreement was the product of months of negotiations. Specifically, you requested and received numerous meetings, at the highest levels of the SDFL and DOJ's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section (CEOS) concerning claims that (a) the investigation merely produced evidence of relatively innocuous sexual conduct with some minors who, unbeknownst to Epstein, misrepresented their ages; (b) the authorities investigating Epstein engaged in misconduct; (c) the contemplated federal statutes have no applicability to this matter; and (d) the federal authorities disregarded the fundamental policy against federal intervention with state criminal proceedings. After careful review, the SDFL ultimatelyrejected those claims. Subsequent to its decision, however, but before proceeding any further, the SDFL provided you with 30 days to appeal the decision to the Assistant Attorney General of the United States, Alice Fisher. As you recall, you chose to forego an appeal to AAG Fisher, and instead pursued a negotiated resolution which, ultimately, resulted in the execution of the Agreement. The Negotiation Phase During negotiations, you tried to avoid a resolution that called for incarceration and registration as a sexual offender — both of which would be triggered by a successful federal prosecution. The SDFL believed and continues to believe that should this matter proceed to trial, your client would be convicted of the federal statutes identified in the Agreement. In order to achieve a global resolution, the SDFL indicated a willingness to defer to the State the length of incarceration; however, it remained adamant that Epstein register as a sex offender and that all victims identified during the investigation remain eligible for compensation. In order to achieve this result, the parties considered two alternatives, a plea to federal charges that limited Epstein's sentencing exposure, or, as suggested by you, a plea to state charges encompassing Epstein's conduct. Ultimately, the parties agreed to, inter alio, a plea to the state charges outlined in the Agreement, registration and a method of compensation. The Agreement The crux of the Agreement defers in favor of the State federal prosecution of Epstein for his sexual conduct involving those minor victims identified as of September 24, 2007, in exchange for a guilty plea to a state . offense that requires registration as a sex offender; a sufficient term of imprisonment; and a method of compensation for the victims such that they would be placed in the same position as if Epstein had been convicted of one of the enumerated offenses set forth in Title 18, United States Code, Section 2255. Specifically, the Agreement mandates, inter alia, (1) a guilty plea in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to solicitation of prostitution (Fl. Stat. Section 796.07) and procurement of minors to engage in prostitution (Fl. Stat. Section 796.03) (an offense that requires him to register as a sex offender); (2) a 30-month sentence including 18 months' incarceration in county jail; (3) a methodology to compensate the victims identified by the United States; (4) entry HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012199 JAY P. LEFKOWITZ, ESQ. May 19, 2008 PAGE 3 OF 6 of the guilty plea and sentence no later than October 26, 2007; and (5) the start of the above- mentioned sentence no later than January 4, 2008. Furthermore, and significantly, Epstein agreed that he had the burden of ensuring compliance of the Agreement with the Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office and the Judge of the 15th Judicial Circuit and "that the failure to do so will be a breach of the agreement" (emphasis added). Post-Execution of the Agreement Within weeks of the execution of the Agreement, you sought to delay the entry of Epstein's guilty plea and sentence. After the SDFL agreed to accommodate your request, counsel for Epstein began taking issue with the methodology of compensation, notification to the victims, and the issues that had been previously considered and rejected during negotiations, i.e., that the conduct does not require registration and the contemplated state and federal statutes have no applicability to the instant matter. A. Delay. The Agreement required that "Epstein shall use his best efforts to enter his guilty plea and be sentenced not later than October 26, 2007. The United States has no objection to Epstein self- reporting to begin serving his sentence not later than January 4, 2008." Agreement, pages 4-5, paragraph 11 (emphasis added). After the Agreement was executed, the SDFL accommodated your request to extend the October 26th plea deadline to November 20th based upon, what seemed to be, reasonable scheduling conflict issues.' By early November, you represented that the presiding state courtjudge would not "stagger the plea and sentencing as contemplated in the Agreement."Although the Agreement clearly did not contemplate a staggered "plea and sentencing," the SDFL again agreed to accommodate Epstein's request to appear in state court for plea and sentencing on January 4, 2008.2 I "Accordingly, I have now confirmed with Mr. Epstein's Florida counsel that the state's attorney's office and the court will be available to have him enter his plea on November 20. So we will plan to proceed on one that date." October 18;2007 email from Jay Lefkowitz to USA R. Alexander Acosta. On the same day, Mr. Lefkowitz confirmed with First Assistant Jeffrey H. Sloman that this postponement " will not affect when Epstein begins serving his sentence." 2 Correspondence from Jay Lefkowitz to FAUSA Sloman dated November 8, 2007 ("the judge has invited the parties to appear for the plea and sentencing on January 41, we do not anticipate any delay beyond that date.") HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012200 JAY P. LEFKOWITZ, ESQ. May 19, 2008 PAGE 4 OF 6 B. Method of Compensation and Notification. During this same time period, you and others, including the former Solicitor General of the United States Kenneth Starr, took issue with the implementation of the methodology of compensation (hereinafter "the 2255 provision")3 and the SDFL's intention to notify the victims under 18 U.S.C. Section 3771 (you objected to victims being notified of time and place of Epstein' s state court sentencing hearing). In response, the SDFL offered, in my opinion, numerous and various reasonable modifications and accommodations which ultimately resulted in United States Attorney R. Alexander Acosta's December 19, 2007 letter to Lilly Ann Sanchez. In that letter, the United States Attorney tried to eliminate all concerns which, quite frankly, the SDFL was not obligated to address, let alone consider. He proposed the following language regarding the 2255 provision: "Any person, who while a minor, was a victim of a violation of an offense enumerated in Title 18, United States Code, Section 2255, will have the same rights to proceed under Section 2255 as she would have had, if Mr. Epstein been tried federally and convicted of an enumerated offense. For purposes of implementing this paragraph, the United States shall provide Mr. Epstein's attorneys with a list of individuals whom it was prepared to name in an Indictment as victims of an enumerated offense by Mr. Epstein. Any judicial authority interpreting this provision, including any authority determining which evidentiary burdens if any a plaintiff must meet, shall consider that it is the intent of the parties to place these identified victims in the same position as they would have been had Mr. Epstein been convicted at trial. No more; no less." Regarding the issue of notice to the victims, USA Acosta proposed to notify them of the federal resolution as required by law; however, IN* will defer to the discretion of the State Attorney regarding whether he wishes to provide victims with notice of the state proceedings, although we will provide him with the information necessary to do so if he wishes." As you know, you rejected these proposals as well. See December 26, 2007 correspondence from Jay Lefkowitz to USA Acosta. 3 Prior to any issues arising concerning the implementation of the 2255 provision, the SDFL unilaterally agreed to assign its responsibility to select the attorney representative for the alleged victims to an independent third-party. This was done to avoid even the appearance of favoritism in the selection of the attorney representative. As a result, on October 29, 2007, the parties executed an Addendum wherein it was mutually agreed that former United States District Court Judge Edward B. Davis would serve as the independent third-party. Judge Davis selected the venerable law firm of Podhurst and Josefsberg to represent the approximately 34 alleged identified victims. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012201 JAY P. LEFKOWITZ, ESQ. May 19, 2008 PAGE 5 OF 6 C. "Mr. Epstein Does Not Believe He Is Guilty Of The Federal Charges Enumerated Under Section 2255." At our December 14, 2007 meeting at the U.S. Attorney's Office in Miami, counsel for Epstein announced, inter alia, that it was a "profound injustice" to require Epstein to register as a sex offender and reiterated that no federal crime, especially 18 U.S.C. Section 2422(b), had been committed since the statute is only violated if a telephone or means of interstate commerce is used to do the persuading or inducing. This particular attack on this statute had been previously raised and thoroughly considered and rejected by the SDFL and CEOS prior to the execution of the Agreement. You also argued that the facts were inapplicable to the contemplated state statutes and that Epstein should not have been allowed to have been induced into the Agreement because the facts were not what he understood them to be. It should be noted that the SDFL has never provided you with any evidence supporting its investigation. This is not, and has never been, an Alford plea situation (see North Carolina v. Alford, 400 U.S. 25, 91 S.Ct. 160 (1970)). Ultimately, you requested an independent review. Subsequent to the above-mentioned meeting, the SDFL received three letters from you and/or Mr. Starr which expanded on some of the themes announced in the December 14th meeting. Essentially, you portrayed the SDFL as trying to coercea plea to unknown allegations and incoherent theories. On December 17, 2007, you decreed that Epstein's conduct did not meet the requirements •of solicitation of minors to engage in prostitution (Fl. Stat. Section 796.03) one of the enumerated crimes Epstein had previously agreed to plead guilty to; that Epstein's conduct does not require registration under Florida law; and the State Attorney's Office does not believe the conduct is registrable. On December 21, 2007, you rejected the USA's proposed resolution of the 2255 provision because you "strongly believe that the provable conduct of Mr. Epstein with respect to these individuals fails to satisfy the requisite elements of either 18 U.S.C. Section[s] 2422(b) ... or 2423(b)." In your December 26, 2007 correspondence you stated that "we have reiterated in previous submissions that Mr. Epstein does not believe he is guilty of the federal charges enumerated under section 2255" and requiring "Mr. Epstein to in essence admit guilt, though he believes he did not commit the requisite offense." As the SDFL has reiterated time and time again, it does not want, nor does it expect, Epstein to plead guilty to a charge he does not believe he committed. As a result, we obliged your request for an independent de novo review of the investigation and facilitated such a review at the highest levels of the Department of Justice. It is our understanding that that independent review is now complete and a determination has been made that there are no impediments to a federal prosecution by the SDFL. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012202 JAY P. LEFKOWITZ, ESQ. May 19, 2008 PAGE 6 OF 6 Conclusion On February 25, 2008, I sent you an e-mail setting forth a timetable for moving forward in the event that CEOS disagreed with your position. That time is now. As you know, my February 25th email stated that I would give you one week to comply with the terms and conditions of the Agreement, as modified by the USA's December 19th letter to Ms. Sanchez. In light of the upcoming Memorial Day weekend, I have decided to extend that timetable to the close of business on Monday, June 2, 2008, which is a full two weeks. Sincerely, R. Alexander Acosta United States Attorney. By: Jeffrey H. Sloman First Assistant United States Attorney cc: R. Alexander Acosta United States Attorney A. Marie VilIafana Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Atkinson . Assistant U.S. Attorney HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012203 TAB 2 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012204 11/05/2007 11:26 FAX 11/05/07 MON 1005 FAX 305 330 6440 EXECUTIVE OFFICE on /003 I'dj001 U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney Southern District of Florida UNITED STA.TE,S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 99 NE 41-TH STREET WAKE, FLORIDA 33132-2111 Jeffrey H. Slo ma n First Assistant U.S. Attorney 305 961 9299 Cynciee Campos Staff Assistant 305 961 9461 305 530-6444 fax FACSIMILE TRANSMISSION COVER SHEET DATE: November 5, 2007 TO: Jay Lefkowitz, Esquire FAX NUMBER: (212) 446 4900 SUBJECT: Jeffrey Epstein NUMBER OF PAGES, INCLUDING THIS PAGE: 3 Message/Comments: Inesiniiie contains PRIVFLEGIM 4ND CONFIDENTIAL INPORMA"I'ION intended only for thc LISC of the A ddreswe(s) named Qbove. If you arc not the intended recipient of this caesimile, or the employee or agent respomsible for delivering, it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any clisttcrnination or coping of this faesimile is strictly prohibited nyou ha vc received thiN facsimile Lit eTTOT, please immediately notify wi by telephone and return the onal thesimileto os at the above address via the, U.S. POsial Service, Thank you, HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012205 11/05/2007 11:27 FAX 11/05/07 MON 10:05 FAX 305 530 6440 EXECUTIVE OFFICE U.S. Department of Justice DELIVERY.ByFACSIMTI...E Jay P. Lefkowitz, Esq. Kirkland Lk,: Ellis Citigroup Center 153 East 53r.l Street New York, New York 10022-4675 Jeffry Epstei Dear Jay: United States Attorney Southern District of Florida 991V.E. 4th Street Miami, FL 33132-2111 (305) 961-9299 Far:sin:tie: (305) 530-6444 November 5, 2007 • • • a 002/003 411002 Several things have come to my attention that seem contrary to your client intending to abide by his obligations under the Non-Prosecution Agreement. As you know, that agreement requires our Office to inform you of potential breaches to give you and your client the opportunity to respond before an indictment is filed. At this time, I do not believe that the agreement has been breached; however, I have sufficient concerns that need to be addressed. First, I understand that private investigators working for Mr. Epstein have contacted victims to ask them whether any detectives or FBI agents have discussed a financial settlement with them. On one occasion, the private investigators told the parent of a victim that she should get an attorney for her daughter and she should do so right away. These actions are troublesome because the FBI agents legally are required to advise the victims of the resolution or the matter, which includes informing them that, as part of the resolution, that Mr. Epstein has agreed to pay damages in some circumstances. Furthermore, Mr. Epstein well knows that we are in the process of selecting an attorney to represent the victims and, but for the inordinate amount of time spent negotiating the Addendum, that attorney would already have been selected. Paragraph 7 of the Non-Prosecution Agreement explicitly provides that contact with the victims shall be through that counsel. Accordingly, please confirm that there will be no further efforts to contact any victims until Judge Davis selects the attorney representative and that, thereafter, contact will be made only through that counsel. Second, the Non-Prosecution Agreement requires Mr. Epstein to use his best efforts to enter his guilty plea and to be sentenced not later than October 26, 2007. Despite this obligation, the Office agreed that Mr. Epstein could postpone this deadline to November, but reiterated that Mr. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012206 11/05/2007 11:27 FAX 11/05/07 MON 10:00 FAX 305 530 6440 EXECUTIVE OFFICE el 003/003 VI nos JAY P. IxpKowrinz, ESQ. Nov2mt:IER 5, 2007 PACE 2 OF 2 Epstein had to begin his term of incarceration not later than January 4, 2008. I have learned that the November hearing has been removed from the calendar and the next case disposition conference has not been set until January 7, 2008. This delay is unacceptable, and, pursuant to your obligations, the Office requests that you confer with the State Attorney's Office to try to find a date in November when the judge is available to conduct a simultaneous plea and sentencing, if you cannot find such a date, please provide documentation of your efforts to abide by the terms of the Non-Prosecution Agreement. Third, there have been several press reports that Mr. Epstein no longer intends to enter a guilty plea. Normally I would not pay any attention to such reports, but your recent correspondence attempting to restrict our office from communicating with the State .Attorney's Office and the allusion to the imposition of sentences that clearly fall outside the terms of the Non-Prosecution Agreernent raises concern. Please confirm that Mr. Epstein intends to abide by his agreement to plead guilty to the specified charges and to make a binding recommendation that the Court impose a sentence of 18 months of continuous confinement in the county jail. Finally, the Non-Prosecution Agreement requires that you provide the Office with copies of all proposed agreements with the State Attorney's Office before Mr. Epstein signs any such agreements. To date, no such agreements have been received. Please provide me with copies of any and all agreements with the State Attorney's Office for our review. The Office also would like to have someone present at the change ofplea and sentencing to monitorMr, Epstein's compliance with the terms of the Non-Prosecution Agreement, so please keep me informed of the date, time, and location of the hearing. Please provide me with a written response, adopted by Mr. Epstein, addressing these concerns and reiterating Mr. Epstein's intention to comply with the tenns of the Non-Prosecution Agreement by November 8, 2007. By: CO: R. Alexander Acosta, U.S. Attorney AUSA A. Marie Villafalia Jeffrey S ornan Sincerely, R. Alexander Acosta United States A omey First Assistant linited States Attorney HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012207 TAB 3 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012208 TOLL RECORDS OF SARAH KELLEN'S CALLS • MR. EPSTEIN DID NOT KNOW WHO WOULD BE COMING TO GIVE HIM A MASSAGE. (561) 635- Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:02AM 3454 (561) 801- Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:03AM 3590 (561) 714- Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:14PM 0546 (561) 714- Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:15PM 0546 (561) 309- Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:16PM 0079 (561) 309- Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:20PM 0079 (561) 644- Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:28PM 3713 (561) 644- Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:43PM 3713 (561) 644- Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:48PM 3713 (561) 644- Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:13PM 3713 (561) 644- Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:03PM 3713 (561) 389- Friday, May 06, 2005 8:30AM 6874 (561) 644- Friday, May 06, 2005 8:59AM 3713 (561) 714- Friday, May 06, 2005 9:33AM 0546 (561) 389- Friday, May 06, 2005 9:34AM 6874 (561) 309- Friday, May 06, 2005 9:35AM 0079 (561) 644- Friday, May 06, 2005 10:58AM 3713 (561) 644- Friday, May 06, 2005 5:35PM 3713 (561) 644- Friday, May 06, 2005 7:50PM 3713 (561) 644- Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:03AM 3713 (561) 389- Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:04AM 6874 (561) 262- Sunday, May 08, 2005 11:39AM 6186 (561) 684- Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:28PM 6642 (561) 262- Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:20PM 6186 (561) 262- Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:21PM 6186 1 Mr. Rofrano is Mr. Epstein's chiropractor. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012209 • MR. EPSTEIN DID NOT TARGET ANY ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, NOR DID HE TARGET MINORS. ALL OF THE CALLS BELOW WERE MADE TO WOMEN OVER THE AGE OF 18. (561) 389- Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:50AM 6874 cell (561) 635- Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:33AM 3454 cell (561) 856- Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:54AM 2974 cell (561) 635- Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:03PM 3454 cell (561) 324- Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:49PM 7996 cell (561) 324- Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:21 PM 7996 cell (561) 635- Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:22PM 3454 cell (561) 324- Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:58PM 7996 cell (561) 262- Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:10PM 6186 cell (561) 635- Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:11 PM 3454 cell (561) 302- Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:20PM 1844 cell (561) 389- Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:25PM 6874 cell (561) 324- Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:14PM 7996 cell (561) 574- Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:44PM 0142 cell (561) 262- Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:57PM 6186 cell (561) 714- Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:58AM 0546 cell (561) 324- Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:59AM 7996 cell (561) 635- Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:59AM 3454 cell (561) 801- Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:02AM 3590 cell (561) 662- Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:04AM 3098 cell (561) 302- Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:44AM 1844 cell (561) 389- Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:10PM 6874 cell (561) 389- Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:10PM 6874 cell (561) 324- Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:17PM 7996 cell (561) 714- Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:36PM 0546 cell (561) 714- Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:45PM 0546 cell HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012210 TAB 4 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012211 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 1 MP: Detective Michele Pagan 2 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 5 MP: I_D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, is approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family Center, Sable Palm School. UNK: Just High Ridge Family Center. MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also is. could you state your name please? MP: Spell your name please? MP: And your date of birth? MP: And you are? CB: Cathy Back, Family Therapist. MP: Could you spell your name please? KB: K-A-T-H-Y B-A-C-K. MP: And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? KB: Yes. MP: Okay. l'm here today and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in reference to an incident that happened to a friend of yours, or a girl you know_ Page 1 of 43 05118 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012212 2 3 I'm not sure if she's friend of yours or not, by the name of=. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes. 11 MP: Okay. I hear your voice got very low all of a sudden so if you don't mind.. 5 Oh, okay. 6 MP: I'll even hold it. Okay. Can you tell me how you know= 7 She's my ex-boyfriend's cousin. 8 MP: And what's your ex-boyfriend's name? 9 Zack= 10 MP: Is that his last name? 11 Yes. 12 MP: What school does he go to? 13 (inaudible) Summit Christian School. 14 MP: And you said he's your ex-boyfriend. How long ago was that? 15 I don't know. Like two months, two months and a half ago. 16 MP: How long did you go out with him? 17 Three weeks...? 18 MP: Not long? And' You met her through Zack? 19 Yeah, I met her when I went to dinner at his grandmother's house. 20 MP: Okay. And do you know M's last name? 21 No. I don't. 22 MP: Do you know where she lives? 23 Yes. She lives on streets away from me. Page 2 of 43 05119 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012213 MP: Okay. 2 (inaudible) 3 MP: Okay. And tell me now what happened with 4 Okay, well, the third time of hanging out with cause I was a cousin, well, And we were over there watching a movie and this guy called or actually it 6 was a woman but it was for a guy. -AM!igf.4:§Ni;t4tRi.i6g:ij. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Ofiii.00. Mad' WM* „ .............................. .................... d0.46.a. f.!.4.0.0i0111(...601i1§0.'"1.111b0040? "ig4f.erafer"" r wherever he lives, And a V. rIgh Tairitt§01 kho 11010Itti.:iiii 601. .. to this uy's diA so that; g00.P. at Pal on t know 611.661:06ii!$. 4.6 like rtg and nd wasJke no :y 004.a, Ultdijdt tab.: . . . iggt.04i0 oitig.6.$b togiidibw tth And then we went, I don't know what day it was cause she picked me up. I'm pretty sure it was a Saturday or a Sunday. So she picked me up and we get in the car and she (inaudible) and then we left and we were still driving and then we went to his house and we were 20 waiting in the kitchen and the old man came and he's like, hello, Fm.. .1 don't 21 even know, I think it's Jeff. I'm Jeff and then we, I'm like I'm And then 2.2 she urn went upstairs and I guess gave him money and we went back downstairs 23 we weren't there, we were only there for like 30 minutes and then we left and Page 3 of 43 05120 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012214 1 then she went to go to Marshall's to go get some, a skirt and a purse but she didn't get the skirt. She only ended up getting the purse and that was like a 3 black purse. 4 MP: That's all that happened? 5 Um hm. 6 MP: Well, I'm hearing a lot more happened. 7 Like what, I know, like what went around the school? 8 MP: Like what went around the school. Tell me what happened at school. 9 In school, everybody was saying that I got paid $300 with the, for the old man. 10 That old guy. Cause he's... .oh, first of all, is that I got fingered by the old man, 11 then it was I had sex with the old man and then it was I'm just a prostitute and I 12 got paid $300. 13 MP: Who was spreading these rumors around? 14 Um, my, this girl, she used to be my friend but I guess.... 15 MP: Where would she get .... 16 From Zack because I broke up with him. Well, that's what I think. I think when I 17 broke up with him, he got very mad and told the girl cause this girl, she hated me 18 because I went out him and she likes him. 19 MP: Which girl was this? 20 21 NIP: Liked Zack? 22 Yeah. 23 MP:...went out with him so she started spreading these rumors? Page 4 of 43 05121 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012215 1 Cause I went out to the fair and she was supposed to go with him but, guess, 2 he didn't like her and then we started talking and she got mad because !was 3 talking to him. 4 MP: What does...can you tell me more aboutM 5 I don't really know that much. All I know is that she, the only thing I know about 6 he: is that her boyfriend, but then they broke up, like, she met him at a party. 7 That's the only thing I know and that she has brown hair and like, I don't really 8 know about her. I went to her house (naudible) 9 MP: Are you telling me?...and I want you to know something, okay? 10 Um hm. 11 MP: Regardless of what has happened, okay? I'm being very honest. You're not in 12 trouble for anything. 13 I know. 14 MP: Whether you did something with this man or not. 15 • Hmm.... 16 MP: Whether you did something with this man. What I'm trying to do is fird out if this 17 type of thing is going on and you're not the only one and I don't think you are the 18 only one. 19 I don't think so either cause the other kid Anthony (inaudible) he knows too 20 and I, cause he's telling me, he's like where do you knoMand then I was 21 like she's my boyfriend's cousin. Oh that girl's bad and I'm like okay, too bad. 22 MP: Did you do anything with this man? 23 No, we went upstairs and just got money and I don't know... Page 5 of 43 05122 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012216 1 And there's like little circle chairs, that you can sit on. 0 MP: Stools. Stools. And we were just sitting there waiting cause he wasn't there yet. Then 4 he came inside after we were standing there about 5 minutes. Cause like, there 5 was a gate and a bodyguard guy. When we opened the gate and knocked on 6 the door, security, some guy, like a bodyguard kind of, type of guy. Same guy 7 walked up and he's like, excuse me, what are you here for and we're here to see 8 Jeff. And then he was okay, well come inside. Jeff'll be here in like 5 minutes. 9 And then we waited and he was like you can help yourself to a drink. And then 10 he left and then like 2 minutes after the guy left, Jeff and a lady walked in and 11 they introduced themselves and we're like, hi, my name is and then she's 12 like :inaudible) and then there's like a walk in door thing, that you walk in 13 like a cabinet thing, not a cabinet but the island thing (inaudible) and then the 14 door would be right there. 15 MP: Okay. 16 Yeah, (inaudible) 17 MP: So they walked away out of your sight? 18 Urn hm. Well there was another girl there. I was never by myself. I don't 19 remember the girl's name but she's s friend. 20 MP: Okay. 21 She was 22 MP: What doesM, do you have an idea of what, why this woman, this assistant, 23 would ask if had anybody with her? Page 7 of 43 05123 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012217 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 • I don't know but what you call, the lady, she really like (inaudible) I don't know what's wrong. I mean when she walked in, she was like kind of like, I don't know, but she was just like, urn, she couldn't say anything about her, she was just first name and that's it and then she was just like right to the point. She didn't try to be friendly, you know. MP: What do you mean she didn't try to be friendly? She wasn't like hi, I'm like, you know (inaudible) she was just like hi, I'm and I don't remember her name but she said she was from I remember that. And your friend, or=s friend stayed in the car? No, she was with us. When we walked in, and she sat, she was just there, she didn't do anything, she was with me. We were just right at the table, like we were silting having a conversation for like two seconds. Then=came back downstairs and then she's like thanks Jeff and then I'm like bye Jeff and then the other girl was like bye and then we left. MP: Okay, did tell you what was going on upstairs? MP: MP: MP: 22 MP: 23 No. She just, I didn't ask because like was to go shopping. That's what (inaudible). Did she give you any money? Urn hm. How much money? $300. What did you do with the $300? I didn't spend it. And then I went to school and then my principal, cause I got Page 8 of 43 , the only reason I know the money 05124 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012218 I into a fight with a girl, for saying that. Because she said that I was, had 2 done all that with the old man to get that money and that's not true. That's why I 3 got really angry and then we (inaudible) before that and then when I went to the 4 office to (inaudible) the principal but actually she didn't say anything at first and 5 then she was like, told her side of the story, can I see your purse and I 6 was like go ahead and (inaudible) and I'm like yes and then my dad, my dad and 7 the principal and my step-mom, they were all like urn, why did you do that with an 8 old man and who is the old man. I'll kill him, blah, blah, blah. And then I was 9 like I didn't do anything! I didn't do anything! And they didn't believe me. And I 10 kind of got mad at and then the whole thing, that's when I moved back to my 11 mom's house because my dad thought I was a prostitute. And it was really.... 12 MP: You know that just because something may have happened, that doesn't make 13 you a prostitute. 14 I know. 15 MP: Do you? 16 Yes. 17 MR Okay. Do you want something to drink? 18 No. 19 MP: Are you sure? 20 Yeah, 21 MR You know, I've been doing this for a long time and I'm not saying you're not 22 telling me the truth, I think you're not telling me the whole truth about what 23 happened. Okay? Matter of fact, I know you're not. And I know you might be a Page 9 of 43 05125 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012219 1 little afraid looking on it.... 2 Okay, I... (inaudible) because they already came to my dad's house and they did 3 something to my dad's tires and my dad almost died. 4 MP: Okay. Give me your hand. I'm here to help you. Look at me. 5 I don't want him to get hurt because he already almost killed him. 6 MP: I'm here to help you. 7 KB: Honey, I'm gonna get you some water. Okay? 8 Okay. 9 MP: I'm here to help you, okay? I'm being honest, okay? I'm going to be very up 10 front but I need you to be up front with me, okay? 11 Okay. 12 MP: The only way I can help you is if you're honest with me, a hundred percent 13 honest with me. 14 Okay. 15 MP: Your counselor's not here. Tell me what happened. Now be honest about it. 16 Okay. When I got there, that Jeff guy and the lady were there and then the lady 17 wanted me to come upstairs and she's like, she's talking to me and then she was 18 putting out a table like for a massage. And then urn, and then when and then 19 she like put the covers on the table and they like, it comes to like (inaudible) 20 whatever and she's like, oh Jeff will be up in a second. And then the Jeff guy got 21 there, she was like, she was like, take off your clothes and I didn't know what to 22 do because I was the only one up there and so I just took off my shirt and I was 23 in a bra and then he came in and had a towel over him and he was like no, take Page /0 of 43 05126 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012220 1 2 3 off everything. So I just took off my pants and I was in my bra and underwear and he was like now you're gonna give me a massage. Then he went on the table and he's like here, the lady that was putting down the table, got out three 4 lotions and put them on the table and then he picked up out which lotion. He 5 was like, give me a massage with this lotion and then I was giving him a 6 massage and he said you can get on my back. So he was on the table and I 7 was straddling him on his back and giving him a massage and then he was 8 turning around and then he whacked offend then he's like oh you have a really 9 hot body and then I was like, that's disgusting, but I didn't say that and then he's 10 like oh, excuse me for a second and he, I guess he went into the other room and 11 he whacked off again and then he came back and said to me like, I'm done. And 12 then he's like, here's your money and then I was going downstairs and he acted 13 all nice and stuff, he's like bye, nice to meet you, hope you can come back again 14 and theM's like how did it go, what did you do. And I'm like, I'm like, he 15 made me give him a massage, and she's like, t know. And then we went 16 to Marshall's and she got a purse and stuff cause she got paid too but I, she 17 didn't do anything, I don't think because she was downstairs the whole time while 18 she knew I was up there. 19 MP: When she asked you to go with her... 20 Urn hm.... 21 MP:...did you know...here's your water. 22 Thank you. KB: (inaudible) Page 11 of 43 05121 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012221 1 • Okay. Bye. 2 (Inaudible) 3 KB: Urn, you know what (Inaudible), I'm gonna down to the dorm. She knows how to 4 find me_ 5 MP: Okay. You feel better without her here? 6 Yeah, because I'm embarrassed cause it's really gross and she.... 7 MP: It is. 8 • ...rnight tell my morn. 9 MP: That's why I'm here. Okay? 10 And I don't want my parents to find out. 11 MP: Weil._ 12 Because I told them it wasn't true. 13 MP: Your parents love you. Okay? And their main thing is for you to be healthy, 14 Okay? Not only physically but up here. And they know that right now your have 15 a lot of issues and I think this is one of them. Because like you said, you thought 16 it was gross. Right? 17 Cause he's like 45 years old. 18 MP: That's okay. Let's backtrack a bit. When you went with tell me the part 19 where ii was the truth. Okay? You were with Zack and said let's go? 20 Yeah. Okay, we were watching, I don't remember the movie, but I know we were 21 watching a movie and then we were gonna go and take a ride. Cause me and 22 Zack were gonna get dropped off at the bowling alley so (inaudible) she 93 was saying about her boyfriend and got a phone call and then she was Page 12 of 43 05128 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012222 1 talking to that lady and the lady was like, was actually saying I'm 2 corning, I'm coming, and was like, can I bring somebody? And then 3 was like, the lady was like what does she look like and she started describing me 4 and then Zack turned around and said to who are you talking to. And then 5 went like that and she was talking to the lady and like just describing me, 6 what I was wearing that night and then the lady was like okay, well Jeff is gonna 7 want to talk to you and was like, that's fine. And then she got off the phone and then Zack said, I was like too, why are you describing me, who are 9 you talking to. And she was like , do you want to go with me tomorrow, I'm 10 gonna go pick up some money from my boss's house. And then she's like 11 cause I get paid tomorrow and then I said okay. And Zack's like no because 12 guess Zack knew what she did because Zack said no and he got really mad at 13 me and said no, you're not going, you're not going with her. And then I was like. 14 and she's like, you know, but you just have to come with me and I was like cause 15 the old man's gonna give us both money so we can go shopping. Cause that's 16 like my boss and he's really nice. And I was like okay. And then Zack didn't say 17 anything the rest of the night about it, he was just like really (inaudible) out there 18 and mad. Not really mad but he was just like frustrated that I guess, 19 would soy that. 20 MP: And you didn't know what was really going on. 21 I didn't know it was gonna, that I had to give him a massage and get naked. 22 MP: What did you think was going to happen? 23 That, like she just said, I don't know but I knew something was wrong, nobody's Page 13 of 43 05129 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012223 1 just gonna pay you money but I didn't think that I,I thought that was just 2 business whatever do, just gonna go over there. And she told me that it 3 was a rich guy and she was saying oh my God, he's so rich, blah, biah, blah. 4 And he has like a new Mercedes and all this stuff and she's like explaining him. 5 And then, what's it called...so actually we didn't, we left but we didn't end up 6 going to the bowling alley. Her boyfriend went to his house really fast to go get 7 something from his house and then he (inaudible) brought his car back to 8 =Fs house and we were just sitting there watching the movie but she was 9 like, are you sure you're going to go with me and I was like okay, I'll go 10 with you. I'm like last time, I'm like, what are we gonna do we were going 11 to go shopping and we were discussing what we were going to buy with our 12 money, cause she told me how much money I was gonna get, $300. And I was 13 cool, I know what I'm gonna buy. We're just like saying what we were gonna buy 11 with the money. She said I need to go buy a purse and then the next day, 15 actually I gave her my phone number that night so she could call, so she could 16 pick me up. And when I went in the house that morning, she called me, she 17 are you still gonna come with me and I'm like yeah. So she's like okay, 18 get ready. I'm gonna be there in like 30 minutes and then she came to the 19 house in like 30 minutes. And she had a friend with her. 20 MP: Do you remember the name of he friend? 21 I don't know her name but she was like really dark, kind of like a Spanish girl. 1 22 don't (inaudible)... 23 MP: Darker than me? Page 14 of 43 05130 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012224 1 Um hm. 2 MP: Okay. 3 And she had like short hair and she had like a styled hair, like a cute little style. I 4 don't remember her name. I talked to her but i didn't remember her name cause 5 (inaudible) right after I got in the car. And then all the way there, we were just 6 listening to music and singing and stuff and like just laughing and stuff. And she 7 told me the girl about her boyfriend and stuff (inaudible). 8 MP: So you're driving. So picks you up. Do you remember what day it was? 9 No but I know it was a Sunday because I told my dad, Dad can 1 please go on 10 Sunday with Haley to go shopping and my dad goes where are you guys going 11 shopping because he didn't know and he said no at first and I was like 12 Dad, that's=, you know Zack's cousin and then my dad says okay but I have 13 to meet her. So then called me afterward and then she's like I'm gonna 14 need $10 for gas and she was like can your dad give me $10? And then I was 15 like sure but I didn't ask my dad, I just (inaudible) $10. And then my dad was, 16 okay and my dad called me, he's like (inaudible) I'm not gonna be able to give 17 you money. So then I was really mad but then I didn't tell but my dad 18 ended up (inaudib'e) (inaudible) when was pulling up, my dad ended up 19 pulling up so and my dad saw each other. And was like, oh my 20 God, your dad is so hot. And then I said yeah, right. Started laughing about it. 21 And then my dad gave Haley $10 for the gas. 22 MP: So you got in the car. What kind of car did she drive? 23 A truck. Page 15 of 43 05131 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012225 I MP: What color? 2 I don't remember but I think it was a bluish color. I think so. 3 MP: So she drove. 4 Yeah, she drove. 5 MP: She drove? 6 Yeah and I was in the passenger seat and there was like a whole bunch of junk 7 back behind her and I was sitting next to it, like (inaudible) or stuff for school. 8 And was there... .like but I don't know but it took a pretty long time to get there. 9 And you know where, like, the rich people are, what is that street? Where the 10 Kravis Center is but further than that. Like towards the beach more. That way. 11 MP: Yeah, towards the beach. 12 Yeah. That way. And that's where, yeah, that's like where he lives but when she 13 pulled into, I know for a fact it's a pink house, I remember the pink house and 14 then he had an Escalade in his driveway and then a Mercedes in his garage. I remember that much. 16 MP: Okay. Do you remember... so you took the Kravis way or did you.... 17 I don't remember where we... 18 MP: You don't remember which way... 19 I just remember the building. 20 MP: It was near the ocean? 21 Yeah. I know... .cause one day when I was with my friend , that's 22 exactly where we went, like around that area, not the CityPlace area but you 23 know, it kind of looks like that area. Like where the Kravis Center was and I Page 16 of 43 05132 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012226 remember... that's how I remember. 2 MP: Do you remember seeing the beach and the ocean? 3 No but we went over that bridge where the ocean was and then the bridge went 4 over. 5 MP: Okay. So you definitely went over the bridge 6 • Yeah. Went over a bridge. And it was up and we had wait for it to go down. So 7 we were there for like 5 minutes. 8 MP: That was time you were witIM 9 Yes. 10 MP: Okay. And then the house, you said, you described it as pink? 11 It was like a, it was a two story house and then it was like a pinkish color, pinkish 12 pink color. 13 MP: Were there gates or something in front? 14 Well, it wasn't a gate but, the back door had a gate to it and it was a white gate 15 and just like she knew that you had to open it and it wasn't locked so we just opened it and there were three, two or three steps and you just walk up and 17 then he had a pool and it had, like the floor, the floor was like a hard something, 18 it wasn't concrete, it was squares of like concrete, but they were like... 19 MP: Like tile, you mean? 20 It was like a coral concrete, you know like.. And then the pool was there and the I house was there, I guess it was like a security house because a man that was 22 with the security came out and he was like what are you guys here for, cause 23 you're knocking on the door and then said we're here to see Jeff and Page 17 of 43 05133 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012227 1 then... 2 MP: What did that man say? 3 He was like oh, okay and she's like, she smiles and then he let her in (inaudible) 4 but he opened the door and then we went in and then (inaudible) and the 5 counter, here's the door when you walk in and there's a (inaudible) refrigerator 6 and then the window, a glass sliding window looks out at the pool. 7 MP: Okay. 8 And then like the cabinet, I mean not the cabinet, the island, was like here and 9 then there's like a cabinet over there and the door was right here. 10 MP: Okay, just for the tape purposes, the way that you described it, okay? Is you 11 walk in and on the left hand side? 12 Um hrri. 13 MR Cause you motioned right now, who's there? 14 • (ina udibie) 15 MP: And then when you walked in, on the left hand side, what did you see? 16 Like if I was getting out of the doorway? 17 MP: Um hm. 18 Okay. Well, there's a door. If you looked straight, it would be straight from you 19 but a little towards the right. 20 MP: Okay. And... 21 It wasn't a door, door. It was just a doorway (inaudible) 22 MP: Okay. 23 No, wait, maybe it, I don't know, cause it was open, but there could have been Page 18 of 43 05134 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012228 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 door, but it was open so I didn't really pay attention. Buz I know it was a doorway going up. MP: Okay. So now you're in that kitchen area Right? Um hm. MP: The three of you? Yes. MP: Where did you park the car? In his little driveway area. MP: So you're in the kitchen area. What happens next? We were waiting there. We were talking, just about how cool the house was. I'm like oh my gosh, I've never been in a house like this. And then the lady and the man came in, Jeff. I'm pretty sure., .like 90% positive. And he walked in, he was like in a t-shirt and pants, not pants but you know, like maybe like kind of dressy. 0.14:611612b. :k:ncswl a. eh w. eIa::hi tor: :m bar ............ .......... ".". fifii!;4613. heslke now t MP: Um hm. 19 • 20 21 22 23 Do you know what I mean? :reineltri ut he knew wh :#i*i#MAiikCtfi4.001 .Ah and then he's like okay, well, then follow my, I don't remember the lady's name but she's, he said follow her (the name) upstairs. So she's like, come on and then we walked upstairs and I thought...... Page 19 of 43 05135 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012229 I MP: By yourself? 2 Yes. but I thought that cause she said she was gonna get paid, so I 3 thought and the girl was gonna get paid in like, you know, like private, 4 privacy and cause it was just him and her and the other girl in the kitchen. And 5 so I went upstairs and as I was walking upstairs, there was a picture of him in like 6 a different country and then I'm like that's really cool and the lady said isn't it and 7 she was just walking upstairs and there was like a door and then, it was like to a 8 little (inaudible) this big and it had a couch and a couch and it was like another 9 walkway towards that way. And then walked towards, like keep walking forward 10 and then to my right and there was a bedroom and then we turned right again 11 and there was a big bathroom, a big.. it was humongous. And the bathroom. It 12 wasn't like a bathroom, bathroom, it was like a sitting area with a shower there. 13 Humongous shower. Like a jillion people could be in that shower. And then it 14 was humongous. And there was like a door here and you opened it and there 15 was like a little desk with paper and pads and stuff. And I don't know (inaudible) 16 like sitting on the couch right here, like against my... there's big long couch. And 17 it was pink and green. Hot pink and green. And there._ 18 MP: The roorn or the sofa? 19 The sofa. 20 MP: Okay. 21 And there's a table with a phone on it. And urn, during when I was giving him a 22 massage, he made a phone call but I don't remember whether he just said, like 23 he said four words and then hung up. Yeah, I don't remember. And he made a Page 20 of 43 05136 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012230 1 MP: 3y yourself? 2 Yes, but I thought that cause she said she was gonna get paid, so I 3 thought and the girt was gonna get paid in like, you know, like private, 4 privacy and cause it was just him and her and the other girl in the kitchen. And 5 so I went upstairs and as I was walking upstairs, there was a picture of him in like 6 a different country and then I'm like that's really cool and the lady said isn't it and 7 she was just walking upstairs and there was like a door and then, it was like to a 8 little (inaudible) this big and it had a couch and a couch and it was like another 9 walkway towards that way. And then walked towards, like keep walking forward 10 and then to my right and there was a bedroom and then we turned right again 11 and there was a big bathroom, a big...it was humongous. And the bathroom. It 12 wasn't like a bathroom, bathroom, it was like a sitting area with a shower there. 13 Hurnongous shower. Like a jillion people could be in that shower. And then it 14 was humongous. And there was like a door here and you opened it and there 15 was like a little desk with paper and pads and stuff. And I don't know (inaudible) 16 like sitting on the couch right here, like against my... there's big long couch. And 17 it was pink and green. Hot pink and green. And there 18 MR The room or the sofa? 19 The sofa_ 20 MR Okay. 21 And there's a table with a phone on it. And urn, during when I was giving him a 22 massage, he made a phone call but I don't remember whether he just said, like 23 he said four words and then hung up. Yeah, I don't remember. And he made a Page 20 of 43 05137 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012231 1 phone call and then he put the table back where it was (inaudible). And then.... 2 MP: But the lady...so you're upstairs and you're sitting down and the lady's there. 3 What is she doing? 4 Oh, she's, well, there's a closet right here, with a table in it. Like the massage table... 6 MP: Near the sofas? 7 Yes. Like a door on each side and urn, towards the door, there's a door for the 8 table. She took that out and there's like a safe and then like she put it in the 9 middle. It's this way, like long ways. And then she put like put the cloth over it 10 but she's looking around the room, I guess just to look, like she was 11 remembering something, I guess, like where the lotion was. And there are 12 pictures of like, naked girls on the wall and there was like, there was like one big 13 mural of naked girls' like, butts. And then, towards the door, there was like a 14 cabinet here, like a built in thing, like a (inaudible) and urn, there's drawers in it 15 and she opened the last drawer and there was a whole bunch of lotions, like 16 millions and millions of kinds of lotions. And she picked out three kinds of lotions 17 ard put them on like an armoire kind of thing with a mirror. And she set it there. 18 And then after, she told me, sit here for 5 minutes. Like, just sit there. And 19 eventually he came in and he was like, hi I'm Jeff and I'm like hi, l'rn And 20 he's like, I'll be right back, you can take off your clothes. And then he left. And 21 there's a bedroom out there and he just went out there and I don't know but 22 there's like, pictures out there, I think, I don't remember, he took off his clothes 23 and put a towel over himself. But I don't know if there was a towel thing back Page 21 of 43 05138 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012232 there cause it's like, I don't remember... 2 MP: Did he undress in front of you? 3 No, he didn't. But he took off his towel in front of me. 4 MP: Okay. So he came back in.... 5 Yeah, he came back into the room and he was.... 6 MP: Were you dressed? 7 I was in a bra and he said no, I meant get naked. And then I was, I went like that 8 and he was you can keep your bra and underwear on and but get down to your 9 bra and underwear so I took off my pants. Cause he was real stern about it, like 10 Take Off Your Pants. And then I just took off my pants and then he laid down on 11 the table but like, after he was laying on the table, he took off the towel just 12 enough, you know, like you could see.... 13 MP: Did you see him naked? 14 Yes I did. And it was disgusting. 15 MP: I don't mean to... I know maybe it's disgusting but can you describe him? Did he 16 have any marks, tattoos, was he hairy? 17 Yes, he was really very hairy on his chest and on his back and towards.. okay I 18 don't mean to sound gross but.... 19 MP: No, say it the way you would if you were speaking to one of your best friends. 20 Okay. 21 MP: (inaudible) 22 Okay. He was laying on his belly side so his butt was like, up. And there was 23 like, he had a very hairy back all the way to here and then there was just like a Page 22 of 43 05139 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012233 hairy butt line going down to his butt. 2 MP: Okay. 3 So gross. Okay, and then. (inaudible) 4 MP: Did you see the front of him? 5 Yeah. Cause when he got off the table, he like turned this way so everything 6 showed towards me and then he got off and then he went and whacked off and 7 then he came back in. But he was very hairy on his chest area and I just looked 8 for like one second and it was very, very disgusting. Okay. That's all I have to 9 say about that. 10 MP: Do you know what it means....and I have to ask only because there are some 11 people that don't.....to be circumcised? 12 No. I don't, I don't really know... but I think he was on steroids because he was a 13 built guy and his weinie was very tiny. 14 MP: His wee wee was very tiny. 15 Yes. 16 MP: And when you mean wee wee, you mean what? 17 His penis. 18 MP: Yes, his penis. Okay. 19 Yes, his penis. 20 MP: People calf it different things. Alright. I just wanted to make sure we know. 21 Okay. He laid down, he took off his towel and he laid down. 22 He laid down on the 23 MP: Did he take his towel completely off or just open it so... Page 23 of 43 05140 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012234 I No, completely off. 2 MP: Okay. Where did he put the towel? On the floor. Right like, the table underneath. 4 MR Okay. So he laid down, took the towel off. What happened next? 5 And then he's like, get the lotion. So I grabbed the lotion. Which, I had to walk 6 almost naked, but I was in like a thong so yeah, my butt was showing and he, the 7 table is like, I mean the sink was, you know, the lotions were right there and I 8 was over here and he was like go get the lotions just so I could walk past him 9 with my butt showing to go get the lotions. So I got the lotions and he's like, he's 10 like this lotion and then I took that lotion and he's like squirt it on your hands and 11 then massage clockwise on my back cause I didn't know how to do it? and then 12 he's like telling me where he would like the massage, here and here, the right to 13 the left, down more, up more. So I was just massaging and he turned and 14 started having a conversation, oh what happened to and I'm like, .15 (inaudible) my ex-boyfriend (inaudible) what's your boyfriend's name. Zack. And 16 he was kind of questioning me and then he said what, he's like, could you stop? 17 1 need to go. And i just stopped and I'm like okay. And he got off the table. He 18 put the towel over him. He bent down and got the towel and then he left the 19 room and you could hear him, like, you know, you could obviously tell what he 20 was doing, just like.... 21 MP: I don't ..... I won't look at you but do what he was doing, what you heard. I know 22 it's kind of embarrassing but.... 93 He was making like sex noises. You know, like..... I don't.. They were very Page 24 of 43 05141 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012235 I strange noises. That's all I can say. 2 MP: Okay. 3 I don't know how to describe them, they were very strange. 4 MP: Can you imitate them? 5 I don't I don't want to make a fool out of myself. 6 MP: You won't. You're not making a fool. You know, it might say it's sex noises. He 7 may say I was singing. 8 Okay. He was like.... 9 MP: I won't look at you, go ahead. 10 He was like 0000hhhh, 000hhh. 11 MP: Okay, okay, he's making groaning noises. 12 Yes, groaning noises, that's it. Okay. That was really embarrassing. It really 13 was. He was making those kinds of noises and then he walked back into the 14 room, took off his towel again and laid back on the thing and then he wanted the 15 same kind of massage but he was like oh use your (inaudible) a little bit more. 16 MP: You were massaging his back? 17 Yeah. And then he, he's like, could you, turn over for a second.. (inaudible) 18 (inaudible) go back out of the room. He turned over and he said okay, please 19 massage my boobs. And then I was massaging his boobs and he's like. he's 20 like, oh, like as I was doing it, as I was massaging, he was making the same 21 noises again like, oh my God, it's so embarrassing to do this. He was like.... 29 MP: I won't look. 23 Ho was going like 000hhh, making those noises. And like 5 minutes after that, Page 25 of 43 05142 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012236 1 and then he turned back around and he just started touching himself and I think the massage was like a half an hour but cause I don't know, the time I think was 3 a half an hour to 45 minutes and then I was done. And then he, I think he has 4 like a safe somewhere because around us he didn't have his wallet or something 5 because right when we got out the door, he left to go put the towel on again and 6 he put the towel on again and went out of the room and he goes you can put 7 your clothes back on. So I put my clothes back on and he walked right out there, 8 like two seconds and then came back like within two seconds. And he's like 9 here's your money. And then he gave me $300 in hundred dollar bills and they 10 were like brand new because they only had like one crease in them and that's 11 when they're folded in half. And he said thank you for your time. And then he 12 left. And he said you can see your way out and I was just walking and I got lost 13 cause there's so many different rooms and I got lost and I walked back 14 downstairs and was like just smiling and giggling, like, I guess it was what 15 the lady was saying and then she looked at me and she looked back at the lady 16 and then she's like, the lady's like oh, bye cause it was time to go cause I 17 guess because I was done. And then, then we left the same way we came in 18 and then s like oh my gosh, Mgoes how did you like it. Like how much 19 did he give you, how much did he pay you. And I'm like $300. And I was kind of 20 like $300, Cause the girl was like this. She was looking at me really weird. 21 The other girl that was with her. She's like really quiet though. And then she just 22 looked at me really weird and she's like trying to gaze into my eyeballs. And 23 then we went in the car and when we got in the car, s like, let me see what Page 26 of 43 05143 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012237 1 he gave you. And then I showed her my $300 and she's like, we're going to 2 Marshalls. And then, give me back my money and I put it in my back pocket. 3 And then she was trying to get me to describe what happened so told her what 4 happened. And she's like, you could do this every Saturday. He's is like so rich_ 6 And I was just kind of like, yeah, we could. And then, she put back on the music. 6 And then, when we were leaving, the lady was walking outside and I (inaudible) 7 one of the cars really fast but she was just going to the passenger seat and she 8 opened the door and then closed it. 9 MP: What did •s friend say? Did she say anything about it? 10 She was just like interested in what happened, like when we were talking, we're like into the conversation and then she was kind of like giggling and laughing, 12 like, I think, I wouldn't say, I mean, I don't know if (inaudible) or not but she 13 wasn't acting surprised, you know, like giggling. She was -just of like giggling and 14 laughing along with And tnen=goes urn, and then when I was giving 15 the guy the massage, he goes, I know she's been working with me for a 16 long time and then when I came back downstairs, goes, you only paid me 17 $200. So.... 18 MP: He liked you better. 19 I don't know. 20 MR Well, after you left, where did you go? 21 Marshalls or to TJ Maxx, one of those two. TJ Maxx or Marshalls. And she 22 bought a black purse. 23 MR Okay. Did you see after that again? Page 27 of 43 05144 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012238 1 Urn, I don't think so because that's when I got grounded. And then that's when I got in trouble with the fight. So after that, I'm pretty sure I didn't. Most likely. 3 MP: Did you ever speak to her again? 4 No, because I got my cell phone taken away. 5 MP: Okay. So you haven't see since the day you went to Jeff's house. 6 Correct. 7 MP: Are you sure? 8 Yeah. I'm 100 percent sure. 9 MR How do you know she....now tell me what happened with your dad 10 • Okay. Because my dad, I didn't know about until my sister told me when she 11 came here. But my sister, on a Thursday, was coming here. And wait, 12 Wednesday night, my dad said that he heard the dog barking and my dog is inside. So he's barking and he's outside, like barking towards outside and then 14 my dad is like shut up cause he forgets the dog's name and the dog wouldn't be 15 quiet. So he's like, I'm taking the dog outside. And then my dad took the dog 16 outside and the dog was way in towards my dad's truck, like my dad thought he 17 was attacking the animals but my dad, a person, a boy, don't know for a fact 18 but I know in my heart its Zack. Because Zack got really mad over the whole 19 situation. 20 MR Did you tell Zack what happened? 21 Yeah. And that's when, he punched a wall and he like my face was right there 22 and he punched the wall, like my face was right there and he punched the wall 23 right next to my face. And he started getting all upset and crying and calling Page 28 of 43 05145 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012239 I how could you do this? Blah, blah, blah. And then 's like, okay, I 2 won't do it again. And like she just kind of like hung up and he was like I hate 3 her, I hate her and then I hate you too. And I was like okay and we broke up and 4 then I think (inaudible) on the computer and I think he told what 5 happened and she turned it into an extraordinary, like story so at school so 6 would look like, you know, like I'm the bad person, like I'm a slut, I'm a whore or 7 something and she's going around school saying all this stuff and then so my 8 parents came, cause that's when I got mad at her and told her to stop talking but 9 she wouldn't stop talking about it. So I just got in a fight with her, like a fist fight 10 at school. And I got suspended and so did she but she only got suspended for 11 one day because I started the fight So I got in trouble more. And my dad got 12 really mad and he grounded me for it, because he found the $300 in my wallet 13 and then my dad was like, you're grounded, you're grounded forever and he's all 14 freaking out, how could you do this, blah, blah. The school said you did. And 15 urn, I didn't tell the school how, I told them I got it from my job, cause I worked at 15 Chick Filet but I quit. So I said I (inaudible) but nobody believed me so I was just 17 like believe what you want. Cause I didn't want to tell the principal or my 18 parents. 19 MP: Well, I think that the best thing that you're doing is that you're being honest. 20 Okay? 21 Umhm. 22 MP: You already know that they have a pretty good idea what happened. Okay? 93 I didn't even know there was like an investigation. Page 29 of 43 05146 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012240 I MP: Well, that's.... 2 I just knew. 3 MP: Well, this is why. What's happening is that I was made aware of this situation... 4 From my school? 5 MP: I'm not gonna say, okay? I was made aware of this situation. And they look at it 6 like you were taken advantage of. Not that you did anything wrong, okay? Even 7 though you went there willingly. Even though you went there willingly, you were 8 still taken advantage of. Okay? Because you were put into a position that you 9 felt you had no choice. Once you were there, before when you were telling me 10 about how Jeff told you to take off your clothes? You took your pointer and you 11 said he was really stern and you banged your leg, you put the pointer on your leg 12 when you said that. How did you feel when he told you to take your clothes off? 13 I don't know. I didn't know what else to do because I was the only person up 14 there and he's like 45 years old and he has like big muscles, because, I don't 15 know, but I'm pretty sure 45 years old and big muscles, body builder. 16 MP: Okay. 17 So I just felt intimidated because he's guy, first of all, and I'm a girl and I know 18 that was all the way downstairs with the lady and what was =ligoing to 19 do to help me all the way upstairs so I just did it. 20 MP: Okay. Now, there's one way I'm a little confused at because you said that, and 21 I'm using your words okay, that he whacked off twice. You said before that he 22 whacked off twice. When did he do that? 23 In between giving him a massage, like when I was giving him a massage, he was Page 30 of 43 05147 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012241 got, he was like, excuse me for a minute and he just left the room. 2 MP: Okay, so that's once. When was the other time? 3 Like during the thing, like when I was massaging his boobs. MP: When you..okay, when you were massaging his boobs, was his back flat on the 5 table? How was he positioned? 6 Well, he was at first and then when he started to whack off, he got like, his back 7 went off the table, kind of like leaning... 8 MP: Okay, where were you standing? 9 I was standing up. I was not on him. I was standing up (inaudible) and I was 10 like....he was towards, okay, he was on the table. I'm right here and he's leaning 11 that way. 1') MP: Okay. 13 ..like (inaudible) cause I guess, I don't know, but.. and he was like, my face, it 14 got hard to see what was going on because of how low I was and he just kind of 15 moved his head the other way and he was like, wants.... 16 MP: Okay, but just now, when you're saying that, you moved your hand. Did you see 17 him whacking off? 13 Yes. I saw him whacking off. 19 MP: Okay. That's what I need to know. Cause you said he whacked off twice. 20 Urn hm. 21 MP: So he whacked off in front of you? 22 Um hm. 23 MP: And you saw his hand doing or you saw his eyes, what was going on? Page 31 of 43 0514E3 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012242 I Okay. I saw his face, facial expressions and noises. 2 MP: Okay. What else did you see? 3 I just saw him... 4 MP: You keep moving your hand so...in other words, he took his hand and what was 5 he doing with his hand? 6 I don't know how to explain it. He was just whacking off. 7 MR Okay, describe.. don't.... 8 • Okay, sorry, he put his hand on his penis and he put it up and down and he was 9 like making facial noises, I mean facial expressions and making noises. 10 MP: So you saw him doing that, he did that in front of you? 11 Yes. 12 MR Do you know what it means when someone ejaculates? 13 It means they're horny? 14 MR No, what it means is that once they, while they're whacking off and I'm using 15 your words, okay. Another word for that is masturbating. Okay? 16 Yes. 17 MP: Do you know what it means to masturbate? A boy does it? 18 I don't know why they do it or I know why they do it but I don't know what it 19 does... 20 MP: Okay. 21 To them. 22 MP: In other words, fluid comes out of their.... 23 Oh, okay. Page 32 of 43 05149 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012243 1 MP: Okay? I'm just being very... I'm gonna tell you because I think.... 2 I know that part. 3 MP: Okay. So fluid comes out and that's ejaculating And it's called semen. So 4 while he was whacking off, okay, did you see any fluid come out? 5 It was, yes, because he had to take the towel and wipe his thing before he got off 6 the table again to go get the $300. 7 MP: Okay. 8 He took the towel and like... And then, okay, like he took the towel to wipe 9 himself and then like as he was getting off and then this way instead of this way, 10 this way, like that. 11 MP: Okay. Since you've seen his penis, was there anything distinctive about it? Like 12 did he have a mole on it? 13 No, it was very small. 14 MP: Very small, that's fine. Did you notice.. you said he was very hairy on his chest. 15 Did he have any tattoos? 16 Uh uh, not that I saw. 17 MP: Did he have any scars? 18 No, but he had freckles somewhere because he was huge. 19 MP: You're pointing at the chest area. 20 Yeah, some freckles. 21 MP: Like a mole or a freckle? 22 A freckle. 23 MP: Okay. Can you tell me what he looks like? Page 33 of 43 05150 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012244 1 He had like not white hair but it was, not white but it, you know, it was kind of like, 2 like me. It was like.... I don't know. MP: He was going gray. 4 Yes. He was going gray. And he had... 5 MP: What color hair did he have before? Blonde, brown? 6 No. 7 MP: You were describing Jeff to me, with the freckle and he was going gray and what else? 9 Urn, like he, like his skin color is like, when I saw him, when you have a sunburn, 10 but its like when you have it a couple of days and its turning into a tan. It was It like a reddish tannish color. And he had like a long face and that's about all I 12 can remember and he had a white t shirt when he first came in. 13 MP: Okay. 14 I don't really remember... 15 MP: Did he have any king of like jewelry on his body that you noticed? 16 I didn't, I don't remember_ 17 MP: Okay. Do you remember what color eyes he had? 18 Nope. 19 MP: Did he have any facial hair, like a mustache? Or a goatee or anything? 20 Hmm....No but his eyebrows were really thick and they were bushy, like 21 everywhere. 22 23 M4.6056jrA her Page 34 of 43 05151 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012245 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 YVer: • f'040 Yes, .63;v30.0.011.03, MP: Okay. You said that you straddled him. •Um hm. MP: What do you mean by that? When..he was on his stomach and I was giving him a massage, like I was, you know where, like, on...on, like the butt? And then like, I was sitting on his butt but a tittle bit above his butt And 1, it was, I was butt naked and he was butt naked and.... MP: Okay. ...my butt was, my butt cheeks were on the top of his butt and the real little of his back. 9p.gp4 MP: Okay. Now, did he ask you to get on top of him? Um hm. MP: Or did you do that on your own? No, he's like. .because at first, I was giving him a massage like you know, standing up. And he, then he's like it would be feel more comfortable if you got on my back. Could you please do that. ...and then I did that. Like, I did, urn, like. Page 35 of 43 05152 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012246 1 2 3 4 5 6 I wasn't, at first I didn't want to sit on his hairy you know, butt. So it was kind of like, you know, like, pushing my legs on the table so like I could kind of sit up and he was like could you please just put all...like sit on me, put all your body weight on me. And then I went, I was just kind of like kind of think I did when I was actually sitting on him, I didn't realize what it was and then like, I got grossed out and as I'm going down, kind of like popped up again. Cause it was gross. 7 MP: Okay. He never tried to touch you? 8 Besides like, you know, well, what do you mean by touching, like sexually 9 touching me? 10 MP: No, did he try to touch you or... 11 He put his hand on my back when he was whacking off or masturbating. Like, 12 he was just like.... 1 3 MP: You keep, like motioning, like smacking. 14 No,... 15 MP: What do you.... 16 Like, when you're leaning on something, putting your force on it? He was going 17 like that, fike...pulling, not, you know, like._ 13 MP: Can you shovv me what you me.an? 19 Okay. He was 20 MP: Let's say I'm on my back. Where would you be, l'm Jeff, where would you be 21 standing? 22 I'm right here. I was like, I was like sitting right here. 23 MP: Okay. Page 36 of 43 05153 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012247 1 Okay and when he backed up. MP: Which way, this way? 3 Yeah 4 MP: Okay, I'm going to my left. 5 All the way around til your back's on the table. 6 MP: Okay. I'm facing you. 7 And then you're, your face is a little bit that way... 8 MP: My right. Okay. 9 And (inaudible) towards, like on his knees, kind of.... 10 MP: Okay, I'm hunched over a little bit. 1'1 And I'm over here. And I'm still giving you a massage and everything but this 12 hand is around me and (inaudible) 13 MP: Okay. My left hand would bc...so is my left hand around your shoulders? 14 No, under my arm while I'm going like that... 15 MP: Okay. So I'm holding you like around by the waist. 16 Urn hm. And that hand was on his... 17 MP: His right hand. 18 Yes. 19 MP: Okay. It just gives me a better picture of trying to understand, that's why. 20 Um hm. 21 MP: And I appreciate you doing that. I don't mean to make you feel uncomfortable_ 22 Do you feel uncomfortable? 23 No. Page 37 of 43 05154 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012248 MP: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Okay. After everything was done, okay, did he watch you get dressed? No. Cause i was getting dressed while he was out there getting the $300. guess that's what he was doing. That's the only thing he came back in with. He was still in a towel and stuff. MP: In the room, at all, do you think...and I don't know if there is or not, but do you think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did'? Oh my gosh.... MR A video camera... Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was lots of places there could have been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know.... MP: When he walked out... the reason why I ask is because he walked out once and then came back in, right? Yes. MP: So it could be just so he could whack off. I was just curious. I don't know if there is or not. If there was, I did not know about it. MP: Okay. So you get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is that woman again? 18 Downstairs talking to and the other girl. 19 MP: Okay. 20 They were having a conversation. 21 22 23 anY #.05#41NO*0.. !: o you or does h OU 'wore?' id:asttftfa 1-0)041:410iixoy Page 38 of 43 05155 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012249 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 use :5e 6tifikMidt4tii0v.go So said he wss 18 As k*O'CrO;StilitliNftEkffi0;40§04:fj Oi*Wi(6:4006.0hiitibi MP: So what other things did he ask you? Urn, how I know what school I went to. 65#40i1AK01:#00:::1§.. gr* 0.6061). MP: Did you tell him what school you went to? Yeah but I told him Wellington. I didn't tell him Royal Palm. 16,911 rac because laid him Was 8 so I had to. tgi!YO-Pia MP: Okay. What else did you talk about? 20 Urn, that's about it. And he was kind of asking me like how I knew=, is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knevMand he was like, I was 22 kind of like, how do you know= Cause I brought up the conversation. He 23 said well I know Haley because she's been working for me for a long time. And Page 39 of 43 05156 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012250 I then like, I kind of, you kind of get the picture, working for you and hello, I'm 2 sitting there giving him a back massage. So I kind of figured it out. 3 MR He never said that, he just... 4 Yes.. 5 MP: ...said that she worked for him. 6 Yeah but don't...on our way back home, that, like, doesn't make any sense if she 7 didn't do that because why would be doing (inaudible) for almost the same 8 amount of money as me. 9 MP: Right. Well, why couldn't he pay her that day? 10 I don't know, because that's a good question. Cause she didn't, as far as I know, 11 but I don't know but I'm pretty sure she didn't tell me. she didn't think. She was 12 just downstairs having a conversation. And I think that when I went up to the 13 lady, he paid her because like, you know, so because, he paid her while I went 14 upstairs and when I went downstairs, she was still talking to the lady still and she 15 goes, when we were in the kitchen waiting, the old man to come to the house 16 still, she said, oh the chef is so hot, he works here and she was like, and she's 17 like he's so hot, you know, saying his face and then the other girl (inaudible) 18 because when we saw the chef come in, he was old, too. He was like... 19 MP: So likes older guys. 20 Must like it. 21 MP: Okay. So you left and that was the last time you see him. 22 Yes and that's the last time I went.... 23 MP: Has Jeff ever tried to call you? Page 40 of 43 05157 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012251 1 Nope. And... 2 MP: Did you leave a phone number? 3 Yeah. Actually I did. Cause when I was leaving, he goes urn, please leave your 4 phone number so can keep in touch with you because she doesn't have 5 your phone number. So I didn't, I just gave him my cell phone number. I didn't 6 give him my house number, I gave him my cell phone number. 7 MP: And how long ago was this? 8 Oh my gosh, I couldn't tell you the date but....it was about maybe, oh my gosh, a 9 month and a half ago. I don't really know.. 10 MP: In February? 11 12 MP: Because we're in March right now. 13 Either the very beginning of February or the end of January. I couldn't tell you... 14 MP: How tong after did you get into that fight with 15 Urn, like a week, cause... 16 MP: You got into a fight with on the 9. 17 Okay, so yes, it was about a week after... .or before. 18 MP: Okay. And who else besides Zack dic you tell what happened? 19 That's it. 20 MP: Besides of course. 21 Zack and 22 MP: Do you think has brought anybody else that you know of? 23 No, but she wanted me to bring my sister but that same day was going to her Page 41 of 43 05158 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012252 1 boyfriend's house. 2 MP: Okay. 3 And, when I was in that guy's room, there was a like, where the drawers of lotion 4 were, there's like a shelf of pictures and he had so many pictures of girls about 16, 17, around that age, 17 or 18. And they were like on the walls and most 6 of....all the girls were topless or just plain naked And they were in positions or 7 they were just standing up. 8 MP: Okay. Looking at pictures. 10 MP: Okay. Well, I have to ask you. Do you know the difference between....and 11 you're a grown woman, so I'm asking you. You're pretty mature for your age. 12 Okay? Do you know the difference between right and wrong? 13 Yes. 14 MP: Do you know the difference between the truth and a lie? 15 yes. 16 MP: Can you tell me what a lie would be? 17 Urn, not saying the truth. 18 MP: Okay. So if I tell you you are wearing a blue sweater right now..... 19 I could tell you you're lying, 20 MP: Why? 21 Because I'm wearing a pink one. 22 MP: You got it. Is everything you've tod me the truth? 23 Yes. Page 42 oi 43 05159 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012253 1 MP: Are you lying about anything? 2 No. I'll swear on the bible. 3 MP: Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 4 I swear to God. 5 MP: Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 P.M WtIktoot,have any kind of sec with hm 8 9 TO opfog::::sexml. Stirrle me' 10 OW'W ViijO me Y mee 11 12 13 14 15 16 I 7 • nO Atrgytime:: (Az MP: At any time, did he touch you At no 1ime... MP: Besides putting his hands... Besides that, no times did he touch me. MP: And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. Yes, I saw him. MP: Okay. And as far as you think..... I think, I know, well, I couldn't say / know, but it's the same noises were being made when he was (inaudible). 2' MP: And that's it. I thank you very much. This will conclude the interview. The time 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 05160 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012254 TAB 5 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012255 sor & Associates Ropciritog 'gad TroinalaipOiow, No. Page 1 THE STATE OF FLORIDA, COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN. SWORN STATEMENT OF Friday, March 21, 2008 12:05 p.m. - 12:15 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue South Suite 1400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Judith F. Consor, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Consor & Associates Reporting and Transcription West Palm Beach Office Phone - 561.682.0905 greid ft.:SA.114a Ivac41 st.a.koRaWn HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012256 sor & Associates Rslox* wed Thtnaciripdoll, Page 2 APPEARANCES: 2 3 On behalf of the Defendant: JACK A. GOLDBERGER, ESQ. 4 ATTERBURY, GOLDBERGER & WEISS, P.A. 250 AUSTRALIAN AVENUE SOUTH 5 SUITE 1400 WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401 6 561.659.8300 7 ALSO PRESENT LILLY ANN SANCHEZ, ESQ. 8 FOWLER WHITE, ATTORNEYS AT LAW 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012257 or St A5sociates RePurthrig mulTransedpiteg, 1 2 Page Statement taken before Judith F. Consor, Court Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of 3 Florida at Large, in the above cause. 4 5 Thereupon, 6 7 having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined 8 and stated as follows: 9 10 THE WITNESS: Yes, ma'am. BY MR. GOLDBERGER: 11 Q. Jennifer, my name is Jack Goldberger and 12 I'm here with Lilly Sanchez. And we are two lawyers that 13 represent Jeffrey Epstein in some matters that are being 14 investigated here in Palm Beach County. 15 We've asked you to come in here today, and 16 we really appreciate that you came in here voluntarily. 17 You've just been sworn to tell the truth, 18 and really all that means is that we're going to take a 19 statement from you. And it's obvious that we just want 20 you to tell us what you know. 21 A. Uh—huh. 22 Q. We don't want you to tell us anything that 23 is incorrect or a lie in any way. We simply want the 24 25 truth here. And we're going to do this very, very quickly. Okay? HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012258 sor & Associates Rworlin Auld Tarrivaiptivq.b. 1 2 3 4 6 Page 4 A. Uh-huh. Q. If you don't understand -- you know, I talk in what's called lawyerese sometimes. And if you don't understand what I'm saying, just say, "Jack, what are you talking about?" And we'll get it straight for you. Okay? 7 A. Uh-huh. 8 Q. A. Will you tell me what your full name is. 10 Q. Okay. And your birthday, 11 A. 12 Q. Okay. Now where do you live right now? 13 A. 14 Q. Is that here in West Palm Beach? 15 A. 16 Q. How long have you lived there at that 17 address? 18 A. 19 Q. And you live there with your son? 20 A. Yes. And my parents. 21 Q. Okay. You've never been in court before 22 for anything, have you? 23 A. Traffic. . 24 Q. Your own traffic? 25 A. Nothing, nothing serious. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012259 sor 82. sociates RwrgndThirmripsiival, 1114, Page 1 2 3 Q. Just your own traffic matters? A. Yes. Q. Have you ever had to have an attorney 4 represent you for anything? 5 6 Q. Good for you. 7 Okay I want to talk Lo 8 you know by the name of Jeffrey Epstein. 9 A. 10 Q. 11 12 Q. owitaft J66'gd '6WY ' ' 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Q. And what had told you about 20 Mr. Epstein? 21 A. She told me that he was having girls such 22 as 23 names, were setting up girls to bring them over and give 24 him massages, and it was going to be strictly massages, 25 no physical contact other than that, and that I would be A. In A. No. you about a man that Uh-huh. You know Jeffrey, do you not? I met him once. 0:110g Q. Okay. And now before you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house, had you ever heard of him before? A. Yes, had told me about him, and , and others that I don't know their HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012260 sor & Asso iate5 Paniorting eaa Tramnririto, top, Page 6 1 getting paid -- I don't remember what she told me. I 2 3 4 think she said a hundred dollars for a half-hour or something, two hundred; either a hundred or two hundred. I can't remember. It was a long time ago. Q. Sure. 6 A. But it was only going to be for a half-hour 7 and that was it. 8 0 ORIO 94###WORM840#00n4311440VOU 9 Ztectqo 10 - - -- 1 .in through 11 ONAV. hat 2 6 21 22 3 YPW0 Arg1.4 *k#:: 000dek404alkbOr idegtandV: stein 16ri Yaigiid46. Over there? d any kind .*4 OkaY. You never s 0 gggg#4 ,d6fttWt ere? one wotke ...................... to±m eve ii tantiae ii HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012261 sor & Associates Reporke lava Trworaiptioz, HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012262 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 8 1 1 0:44A1,0AtAii0444,F smamaKmezzageswan 3 440: 4 5 6 7 Q. olcaY hone CantaCt, I'M Including text Y other kind of contact th Way YOU So thexe. wa,$ no contact at all? Okay. Now, I think you just what answered 8 the question, but let me just ask -- I'm going to do what I told you I wouldn't do; I'm going to ask it to you in legalese. Before going over to Mr. Epstein's house, did anyone try to persuade you to engage in that kind of sexual activity or sex with Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. Okay. A. When had -- because was the one that had drove me over there -- Q. Right. A. told me that would be the one driving me -- they were following -- and had said that if -- he might ask if I wanted to do anything else, that it was up to me, I could say yes or no. She said, "He may ask you to do other things." Q. But no one was asking you before you -- A. No one was telling me that I had to do 3 anything. She was just stating that it was a possibility 2 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012263 5or 8,1A55ociates Rsportiag ixad traum-iption, 1 he may ask me to do other things. 2 Page 9 Q. Most importantly though, before you went 3 over there, no one tried to persuade you to engage in any 4 kind of sex? 5 A. No, no one persuaded me. 6 Q. No one was inducing you or enticing you to 7 do any kind of sex? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Okay. And certainly no one that had any 10 association with Mr. Epstein tried to persuade you or 11 induce you to engage in any kind of sex? 12 A. NO. 13 Q. Okay. As far as what said to you, 14 she said he may ask you whether you want to do anything 15 and it was totally within your rights to decide? 16 A. Totally within my rights to do whatever 17 wanted to do. 18 Q. And I assume she told you that if anything 19 was asked of you, whether you wanted to do anything else, 20 I assume told you that Mr. Epstein would 21 absolutely respect that. In other words, if you were 22 asked to do anything and you said no, he would say, 23 "Fine. I understand." 24 A. Yeah. Because he told me in the room if 25 didn't want to -- whatever I didn't want to do, just say etdaskcisosax. * T HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012264 no and he said that was fine. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. That's what I was understanding. Q. Okay. But that conversation only took place after you got to his house, right? A. Yeah, right. Q. Okay. And going back to, to , she 8 never communicated to you, with you by e-mail or text messaging about any engaging in any kind of sexual 10 activity? 11 A. No. It was just that day that I had 12 decided that I was going to go over there that had 13 took me over to 's house and then had drove 14 me there and and followed. 15 Q. Okay. I know the answer to this is 16 obvious, because you only went there to Mr. Epstein's 17 house one time, but I've got to ask you this. You never 18 traveled anywhere with Mr. Epstein, did you? 19 A. No. 20 Q. You never left the state to meet with 21 Mr. Epstein, did you? 22 A. No. Heard other girls did. 23 Q. Okay. Ms. Sanchez just reminded me of a 24 question I forgot to ask. 25 You never spoke to on the HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012265 sor 81 Associates litnporxin$and Thall014492i. TIM Page ll 1 telephone at any time, did you? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Thank you. 4 So I think what I'm hearing you tell me is 5 that your going over there was entirely voluntary; it was 6 consensual on your part? 7 A. It was consensual on my part, yes. Q. No one told you that you had to dress in 9 any particular way? 10 11 12 13 A. No. I was wearing jeans and a tee shirt. Q. Kind of like today, right? A. Exactly. Q. Now, you were told that you didn't have to 14 take your clothes off, right? 15 A. Yeah. She was -- well, they told me it was 16 up to me. They said that it was just going to be a 17 massage. They didn't tell me anything further than that. 18 They said if he did ask me, it was entirely up to me. 19 Q. Right. 20 A. And that was that. 21 Q. Right. And you were told you could say no 22 to anything if anything was asked? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And that was clearly the atmosphere that 25 existed when you went to the house? atIreeilard411A-NalSOIS04.1%40.13¢,drkracaliM.YAioftWah.ekapkU.SA.42.4.,f...5.0,—..1 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012266 5or & Associates R.oputibg and Trearoxiptiva, w. Anything that was done was totally your Now you never -- during the one time that you were with Mr. Epstein, you never told him at any time that you were uncomfortable with him in any way, did you? You weren't afraid to say no to him about Nothing. Or anybody. Did he ever touch any of your private parts MR. GOLDBERGER: Let's go off the record (Discussion held off the record.) MR. GOLDBERGER: Back on the record. Egliiimanscidatetia1=.360#0.13.1.6aldsvagrAW 041.4.464......acomee* HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012267 nsor & Associates ReportinandThairsui. 'pfto,Irtzt !Ag la tbilW4Ogr kOW . .... 140.4614P,,, Page 13 Ckx his chest and his 3 Q. Okay. Now while you were with Epstein, did 4 he touch his penis at all? 5 A. No, he did not. 6 Q. Did he masturbate in front of you? 7 A. No. 8 Q. And you didn't touch his penis, I assume? 9 A. No. 10 Q. You didn't help him masturbate? 11 A. No. 12 Q. And certainly -- 13 A. Sorry. He was too old. 14 Q. I hear you. And I'm sorry to ask these 15 questions that are so obvious. 16 A. It's your job. 17 Q. Mr. Epstein did not have any sex with you 18 in any way? 19 A. No. 20 Q. You didn't have any kind of oral sex with 21 him? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Okay. Did Mr. Epstein ever penetrate you 24 in any way with his finger or anything? 25 A. No. awsnicaw-tIkkwe..,2136Ateadah.e. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012268 6ar & As5ociates FtripprtimF aid Tnamccriisiem, Tin Page 14 1 2 been telling me, that Mr. Epstein never threatened you in 3 any way? 4 5 Q. 6 a nice guy, right? 7 8 sit here and actually defend him, because I know he was 9 wrong for some parts maybe in his case, but as far as T 10 go, it was -- he was not threatening me. He didn't make 11 me do anything that I didn't want to do. I said no if I 12 didn't want to do something and -- 13 Q. 14 were there or anything like that? 15 16 Q. 27 you drugs of any kind? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Okay. He didn't offer you any alcohol? 20 A. Nothing. 21 Q. And I think you told me already -- but 22 let's make sure we're clear on the record, -- you went to 23 Mr. Epstein's house one time and one time only, correct? 24 25 Q. And I would assume based on what you've A. No. In fact, I think you described him as being A. He was a nice guy. I mean I'm not going to So clearly, you were not afraid when you A. No. All right. And Mr. Epstein didn't offer A. Correct. Q. And that's the only time that you've ever 3 J HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012269 seen Mr. Epstein? A. Correct. 3 Q. Okay. And you certainly never called the police as a result of this? A. No. 6 Q. And you never contacted the State Attorney's Office? A. No. POUWARAMWO*V0 12 13 0024r ny6A with 14 0#0ggOoOtgg 15 No besides M. which was my best friend. 16 I always talked to her. She asked if I ever wanted to go 17 back again and I told her no. And she was just asking me 18 that as a friend question, not to ask me if I was 19 actually willing to go back over there. 20 Q She wasn't speaking as a representative of 21 Mr. Epstein? 22 A. Right. 23 Q It was just a friend -- 24 A. Right, just a friend conversation. 25 Q Okay. Now before you went over there you .666Nthatftta6W66140NY. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012270 sor & Amoco es Thwlimg and Trasimiptim, rao. HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012271 sor &A55 ociates Ropod44mill-eivaivicca,bizi, Page 17 2 4.44.11C.'m 0!49.11!*4§'*ACP!gA.M.X.W:*iggt 2 3 4 on what your boyfriend had done to you and you wanted to 5 get paid for this massage? 6 A. Correct. He swiped out my bank account and 7 I needed a way to come up with $200 that was over my 8 bank. So I'd get paid 300. I put 200 in my bank and I 9 believe I gave a hundred for taking me. 10 Q. Given your debt situation, it was important 11 to you to convince Mr. Epstein that you were over 18, 12 because you wanted to do this job? 13 A. Correct. 14 Q. Gotcha. Okay. 15 Believe it or not -- let me just check with 16 ms, Sanchez, -- but I think I've got everything covered 17 here. 18 A. I don't believe it was so much Epstein as 19 it was the girls that were working for him, that were 20 bringing in the service, because the girls were the ones 21 telling everybody to lie, to bring in the business so 22 that they could get paid. I know he was traveling them 23 back and forth and renting them rental cars. 24 Q. So I think what you're telling me is that 25 you really believe that Mr. Epstein was relying on what Q. Okay. And clearly, you had some debt based 1 1 HOUSE OVERSIGHT 012272 sor & Associates R*Td Treatudoice, Tap. Page 18 1 the other girls were doing to make sure that the women 2 that were brought -- 3 A. For the most part, yes. I believe that -- 4 I mean of course that this is what he wanted and this is 5 what he set up. 6 Q. Uh-huh. 7 A. But I believe he had the girls doing all 8 9 10 11 8 the work for him, so that they were the ones that were more getting in trouble for bringing in the business than him. BbU t„:41:4, 'OU eATI-olga FP An. on re over the a X!A4A. Anmtltnoxmoz0 ilin amerybo. 1Tafrnm.:'....':Mhat4ttektlbws 19 Q. Correct. 20 Okay. You've understood all the questions 21 I have asked you today, right? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Any questions about what I've asked you? 24 A. No.